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Puppet quality when importing into After Effects

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July 4, 2017
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I created my character using Illustrator as vectors, but when I import the Character Animator puppet into After Effects there is no option to "Continuously Rasterize". So when I zoom in to the character's face, it gets blurry as a bitmap would.

Are there any workarounds for this?

Thanks!

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2charley

Participating Frequently

I found a decent workaround. But this is my first puppet; so pardon me if my language isn't quite proper - still despite my wording, the workaround does actually work. After watching Okay Sumarai's "Making Your First Cartoon" on YouTube, I definitely wanted to get the kind of cool results that he achieved by enlarging his puppet for close ups. But once in AE, I had a similar experience as others have reported: my puppet's resolution went to garbage as soon as I tried to increase her scale for a close up. So (1) I made my puppet gigantic in Character Animator by clicking on the puppet herself then going to properties and increasing her Transform/Scale. But her head and feet looked cut off after I did this. Still I imported her into After Effects and, you guessed it, head and feet cut off there too. So (2) I went back to Character Animator and clicked on the scene and increased the height and width of the scene itself. And that did the trick. Once in After Effects again, my character can be huge or small and her resolution is great. -- Now mind you once in AE, the parameters of the Character Animator puppet file size (not the visible puppet herself) but the rectangle representing her actual file size in After Effects is bigger than the project's composition size. Still she seems to be rendering at the same speed as she did when her file size was smaller -- and she looks clear.

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mariusw30260965

Inspiring

I think, what is happening is, the Illustrator file is rasterized using the artboard sizing in pixel. The document raster settings do not affect the outcome. So my best practice is, setting up the Illustrator file using pixel measurements equivalent to my stage setting in CA. For a Full HD project I use a 1920 x 1080 pixel Illustrator template. Now you can use the Quality Selector in CA (50%, 100% 200%-Standard or 400% high) and it does exactely what you would expect. With 200% your Artwork can be resized 2 times before loosing resolution. If you need more Zoom reserve than 400% you have to increase the Ilustrator Artwork Size. The puppet is not restricted to illustrators artbord boundary.

That said, it is strange, that you still need to find workarounds for such simple tasks at Version4.0!

I do guess, that the core engine is set-up like this and nobody want to touch it, i suspect it might need a complete rewrite of the illustrator import handling.

DarrenFMc17167703

Known Participant

Iulstrator file size is irrelevant as it is vector.

Create your puppet in illustrator

Improt it into Character Animator.

Do your thing with it etc

Choose Render as Vendor (Note: Any Gaussian blur effects etc in the Illustrator file will be ignored once clicked)

Save the project

Open After Effect

Import the CHPROJ file and put it into the timeline

Everything should be synced

Make a change to the puppet in Illustrator, save, switch to Character Animator, the chnages should update, switch to After Effects, th echnages should update, They are all linked.

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GUCETL

Participant

I have the same problem, but what is real weird is that I have multiple puppets that I created in Illustrator using the same scale of size, imported them into Character Animator and only discovered the concern while importing the scenes into AE. One puppet looks great, but another looks like garbage...and they are scaled the same in AE and I have tried using the scene width and height to compensate, but it seems to work the exact opposite from what I need. When I make more resolution in the CH, it only makes the puppet smaller in AE. This is crazy-frustrating. I created the puppets in Illustrator to avoid this issue of pixels...but now I am being forced to deal with them because of the dynamic link.

Will there ever be a good solution?

John

alank99101739

Legend

The latest release made it at least a bit easier to zoom inside CH now - there is "camera" controls now, so you can zoom the camera in on the face much more easily than before. That plus keyframing in the 3.0 release I think is the best answer you have for now.

alank99101739

Legend

Personally I do all the zooming in CH. I am pretty sure CH -> AE is as bitmaps, not vectors. So zooming in AE is zooming the bitmap. If you did any scaling in CH rather than AE then it should not lose resolution.

If making the bitmap high resolution is too slow, then only other approach I think is to try to do the scaling in CH instead of AE. But I could imagine a bit tricky to get right if you start trying to rotate the CH output or do other fancy things with it. E.g. if you scale in CH and it crops at the edge of the screen, then you need to make sure that does not become visible in the final video.

Jeff Almasol

Adobe Employee

Yeah, as alank99101739 mentioned, Dynamic Link between any pair of apps is currently just bitmaps (pixels), so additional support would need to be added for vectors. For now, I've added this thread to our internal tracking of this request (i.e., continuous rasterization of a Dynamic Link source).

mike1999

Participating Frequently

It would be most helpful to add vector support to dynamic link. I'm sure there are significant technical challenges to achieve that. Is there anything to report on any progress in bring that feature forward? The escalation is 19 month old.

alank99101739

Legend

Have you tried changing the scene resolution to something bigger? Eg times 4 The final resolution. Then you are effectively zooming out rather than zooming in. Might be slower, but worth a try?

You need to be careful as thin lines can disappear, but I think it should work if your100% to 300% zoom range becomes 33% to 100% zoom. As soon as you zoom more than 100% I think you may be in trouble.

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namor

Participating Frequently

Thanks for the suggestion however after trying to increase zoom range, the render time is unbearably slow. how can such a simple feature be overlooked? ZOOM is not possible without a degradation of quality and/or massive slowdown in rendering. I would have to upgrade my workstation for Zoom functionality and multiple workarounds. Thats ridiculous. Improve the functionality, give us ZOOM Jeff Almasol

so frustrated by the lack of this most basic functionality

Jeff Almasol

Adobe Employee

Select the puppet in the Project panel, then make sure "Render as Vector" is checked in the Properties panel.

david elvisv46043147fsdafAuthor

Participant

I tried that, and I think that only works within Character Animator. Once I import a puppet's chproj into After Effects, and I zoom into the puppet 200%, it's still blurs like a bitmap.

Jeff Almasol

Adobe Employee

Ah, yeah, content via Dynamic Link (either from Character, Premiere Pro, etc.) is pixels only at this time. I've added your request to the existing one for this capability.

For now, you would need to scale it using the Transform behavior in Character. (If you have CH and AE open at the same time, and you just dragged the CH scene from its Project panel into AE's Project panel, you can flip back to CH to adjust the Transform > Scale values, then switch back to AE to see if OK.)

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