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March 6, 2012
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Invoking Photoshop CS5 from Lightroom 4 asks for Camera Raw Plug-in 7.0

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I have just downloaded and installed Adobe Lightroom 4.0. When I try to invoke "Photo / Edit in Photoshop CS 5.1" I get the warning "This version of Lightroom may require the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in version 7.0 for full compatibility. Please update the camera raw plug-in using the update tool available in the Photoshop help menu". However, the update function in Photoshop CS5.1 says that there are no updates available and searching adobe.com I can find no references to Camera Raw plug-in 7.0. What is one to do? Thanks.

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Correct answer Ryan Smith Photography

Everyone acts like this is some big deal.  Just select render using Lightroom and don't show this dialog anymore.  Doesn't that fix the problem?  When you upgrade to CS6 you won't have this problem, it's always been this way. 

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Participating Frequently
April 12, 2012

It appears to me if you desire you upgrade to LR 4 and be compatible with Photoshop you will be forced to Purchase the CS6 Upgrade? Am I the only one that comes to this conclusion? I would like to upgrade to LR4, but if not compatible with CS5 I would be very hestitant to do so!

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April 12, 2012

mikeobe.....

It depends what you mean by "compatible".

I am using Photoshop CS4, and as long as I have LR4 render the images, they come into PS looking exactly like the raw conversion as viewed in LR. In this scenario, LightRoom uses its built-in raw conversion engine to convert the RAW image into RGB and bring it into Photoshop. This is the same engine that creates the previews in LR, so they should be identical.

If I were to render the image using the version of ACR associated with PSCS4, (which is older than the raw processing engine in LR4), then yes, it will look different. After all, CS4 and CS5 utilize older versions of Camera RAW and don't support the latest changes or Process Version 2012. If you want to convert directly from Bridge or PS, then you will need CS6, at least as I understand it.

If you want to use an older version of PS, just let LR render the image. When it is delivered to PS, it will be the same as what you see if LR.Then edit away as you see fit. In that respect, LR4 is totally compatible with older versions of PS. I don't intend to buy a new version of Photoshop. It's cheaper to buy an upgraded version of LR. Having said that, read a few of the threads on LR4 performance, bugs, problems, etc, before you decide. If you are in no rush, you may wish to wait until Adobe releases LR4.1 or 4.2.

Lou

Participating Frequently
April 12, 2012

thanks for your reply! Render? As in open every photo and hit the render button??

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March 24, 2012

Perhaps this has already been answered (I didn't read every post in this thread).

I'm using LR4 and Photoshop CS4. The Camera Raw module for Photoshop CS4 is an older version and is not current with the LR4 raw processing module. So when exporting from LR4 to PS, I get the camera raw 7.0 warning message, as you do. You have two options.

1. Render using LightRoom.

If you render the image using LR, what opens in PS will look the same as what is displayed in your LR library or develop module, since it is using the same exact raw processing module and algorithm LR is using. From what I can tell, it will use the external editing presets you chose in LR4 preferences. In my case, LR4 editing preferences are set to PSCS4, PSD, Adobe RGB, 16-bit, so when the image enters PS, it will conform to these parameters.

2. Open anyway.

If you "Open Anyway", whatever version of ACR you have installed on your machine will be used to convert the image for opening in Photoshop. Since it is an older version of ACR (especially in my case, since I am still using PSCS4), the image will look different than it does in LR. After all, it is using an older algorithm. I definitely see a difference between the LR preview and the image in PS if I "open anyway". Of course, if I were using the same ACR version that LR4 uses, they should be identical.

So, if you want the image opened in PS to look the same as it does in LR, you need to do one of two things:

  • Render the image using LR
  • Or, make sure you are using a current version of PS with the very latest version of Camera Raw, so both LR and PS are using the same raw conversion engine.

Since I plan on sticking with PSCS4, I will render using LR. I think this is accurate and correct—at least it totally jives with my experience and results.

Lou

Participating Frequently
March 24, 2012

Lou, I think that's spot on.  It's what I used to do with LR3 before I upgraded to CS5 (probably my last ever version of Photoshop, given the new upgrade policy). 

The only disadvantage is that you get a TIF copy before you open the image in PS.  If you are going to use the image in combination in another picture (so you wouldn't save the file in PS) then it means you end up with a TIF you don't want and have to delete.  Also, I guess "Open as smart object" won't work reliably. 

Participant
March 24, 2012

Wish I could get my money back.

LR4 is just not up to the task of doing heavy production work.

The raw 7.0 issuse is a big deal with me. On big files when tyring to edit form LR4 to CS5- CS5 hangs.

Also very slow even without the raw issue

Workarounds are awkward and time consuming. Eat up critical disk space. I have to edit 100 or more 22 MB or greater files for each job.

All fixes suggested did not work for me. CS6 beta is not an option. I would not trust it.  Espically after my upgrade experience with LR4.

I do not know any profcessional that would want to put his work in the hands of a beta or unstable product.

Had to reinstall 3.6 which works fine.

Just paid for a piece of software that i cannot use.

Plus not getting any help from Adobe on resolving this issue.

Thank you Adobe.

jgblair
Participating Frequently
March 24, 2012

zawackij,

Adobe has a 30-day money back guarantee, so you can get your money back if you want to.

John

John G. Blair Studio

Occidental, California

March 23, 2012

In the same pop up window as 'Edit in Photoshop CS5' you'll see 'Render in LightRoom'...DO THIS ACTION.  LightRoom will save a 16-bit TIF file identical to the RAW file you were intending to develop for PS.  The TIF file will be placed next to the RAW file in your thumbnail panel...Select the TIF, go back to the 'Edit in Photoshop CS5' option and you'll now open a 16-bit TIF file in PS with ALL the applied edits from LightRoom (essentially it works as a 'pre-render').  This is the best solution I have come across while Adobe fixes these issues.

Hope that helps!  It has for me.  Cheers.

Chris.

March 10, 2012

Further, Lightroom 4 seems to have a color profile issue when printing.  Going back to version 3 seems to print better.  I'll look forward to this fix.

dmiller62
Participating Frequently
March 9, 2012

There is nothing here going on that should be a mystery. The bottom line is this:

- PV2012 requires Camera RAW 7.0. This is currently only available in Lightroom 4. There is no Camera RAW 7.0 plugin for CS5. The 6.6 (released) and 6.7 (release candidate) RAW plugins for CS5 do not completely support PV2012. I've tested this carefully. Whether or not you get the warning when doing an "Edit in CS5" from Lightroom 4, (I do, even with CS5/RAW 6.7), the process of opening a RAW file from LR4 into CS5 this way is not a perfect process - there are slight differences in the end result, depending on your PV2012 develop settings. Along with this, another simple test that anyone can perform is to bump an image up to PV2012 in LR4 and then try importing that image directly into CS5/RAW 6.7, without going through Lightroom (the PV and develop settings will be stored with the RAW file, either internally or through a sidecar file). CS5/RAW 6.7 will immediately decline to show you the develop settings in the Exposure screen in the RAW import dialog and will tell you that you need to convert down to PV2010 if you want to make any adjustments. So essentially, the PV2012-into-CS5/6.7 workflow is approximate and not fully supported.

- The only true solution for this is a Camera RAW 7.0 plugin for Photoshop that's fully compatible with PV2012. (as carefully noted above, the 6.7 plugin does not resolve this). If Adobe makes a 7.0 plugin available for CS5, then this would fix the workflow between LR4 and CS5. If Adobe does not make a RAW 7.0 plugin for CS5, and if the only RAW 7.0 plugin tha's released is for CS6, then anyone who wants a fully bridged/compatible workflow between LR4 and Photoshop will need to upgrade to CS6.

- A workaround for this is to have LR4 render your image out to TIFF as a go-between, in which case the PV2012 development is fully baked into the image before CS5 ever gets it. This produces perfectly developed results, but at the cost of time, drive space, and overall convenience.The directly bridged import via a fully compatible RAW plugin is much faster, more convenient, and doesn't create temporary (large) TIFF files on your drive as a result. The workaround solution is slower, and means that each "Edit in CS5" generates an extra TIFF file. One other situation for which the "render to TIFF" workflow is not workable is Smart Objects. If you want to bring a RAW image from LR4 into a Smart Object in Photoshop, then Photoshop has to be directly compatible with the PV2012 engine in LR, and this process will not work at all unless there's a RAW 7.0 plugin in Photoshop.

Participant
June 6, 2012

dmiller62 wrote:

There is nothing here going on that should be a mystery. The bottom line is this:

- PV2012 requires Camera RAW 7.0.

...

if the only RAW 7.0 plugin tha's released is for CS6, then anyone who wants a fully bridged/compatible workflow between LR4 and Photoshop will need to upgrade to CS6.

I'm testing Bridge CS6, and LR4 adjustments still don't show in bridge although it uses camera raw 7. Shouldn't it?

If I adjust in LR4, it won't show in Bridge CS6 (it even maintains the settings I previously applied in ACR 7). While if I adjust it in ACR 7, back in LR 4, it will show up as it should (even warning if the settings was changed in another app, and show I keep that setting or the one I'm changing in LR4).

Participant
March 9, 2012

Have you tested Camara RAW 6.7 beta it should fix the issue.

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/

I haven't jet tested it...

Participating Frequently
March 9, 2012

askarphoto wrote:

Have you tested Camara RAW 6.7 beta it should fix the issue.

No, I don't like to use betas or Release Candidates on live work (I used LR4 beta on copies of files).  I'll wait for the real thing to be released. 

Participant
March 9, 2012

I am a big fan of LR and the beta looked as a grate improvement but now with the full version of LR4 it appears to be "buggy". I have still LR3 on my mac book and I am hesitating to switch at the moment (especially as of my printing issues). so I hope Adobe will soon bring a update...

Participant
March 9, 2012

I see that some of the people having a problem are first converting from RAW to DNG.  What happens if you don't convert to DNG, but just edit the RAW file in LR, with ACR 6.7RC installed and open anyway, ignoring the warning?

Participating Frequently
March 9, 2012

Just tried the raw NEF and the adjustments didn't show up in PS.  With DNG's sometimes the adjustments transfer to PS, but mostly they don't.

Participating Frequently
March 9, 2012

When you get the warning message, choose "Render using Lightroom".  All the edits are then visible in Photoshop, or they are with me (Nikon NEF raw files).  The only downside I can see is that it creates the TIF immediately, rather than only when you save it in Photoshop.  Not exactly a big deal. 

If you've previously chosen "Open anyway" and checked the "don't show this again" box, then maybe you need to go to Edit menu, preferences, general tab and click "Reset all warning dialogs"

Participating Frequently
March 9, 2012

I am having the same issue.  Adjustments made to my raw files are not showing up in Photoshop.  I was just told by tech support that "Raw files edited in Lightroom 4 will not open in Photoshop CS5." He said they are working on an updated ACR that will be released in CS6 some point this year.  When I told him if that was the case Lightroom 4 should still be in beta he told me "That is why you still have Lightroom 3, so you can edit raw files."

I'm not quite sure he understands how Lightroom and Photoshop are used.

...Currently waiting on hold to talk to a supervisor.

Known Participant
March 9, 2012

I don't understand why Adobe is so silent and unhelpful with this ongoing issue.  Render using Lightroom is not an acceptable workflow solution for many of us, nor is waiting until some unknown date in the future for a  version of ACR that works.  It doesn't seem to be a big ask for LR4 to work the same as LR3 in combination with the currently released versions of ACR and Photoshop.  Again I have to say its especially disconcerting given its a repeat of the same problem experienced with the release of LR3.  The offered work-arounds are just that, not a solution.

Participating Frequently
March 9, 2012

Exactly - the least they could do is give an estimated date for the ACR update.  Instead we have to wonder if it will be a free update to CS5 or if we will have to upgrade to CS6 as the first tech support guy told me (the supervisor said she couldn't say).