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August 5, 2019
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Lightroom 8.3 unbearably slow on 2019 iMac

  • August 5, 2019
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Howdy everyone, *another* post on how slow the new lightroom update is running.

I'll try to be as detailed as possible in the hope it can bring about a positive outcome.

I've just bought a brand new 2019 27" 5k 8-core i9 iMac with 40GB RAM and 2TB SSD, and am running Mojave with the latest Lightroom Classic v8.3.1. I've upgraded from a 2014 Macbook pro, with 16GB ram running El Capitan with Lightroom Classic v7.5, which is what I'm comparing the performance with.

Generally, LR on my new iMac is obviously slower, whether it is browsing through images in either library or develop modules, actively changing between modules and of course when doing virtually any editing of images. When editing, it's especially noticeable when using local adjustment brushes, spot-removal, and even something as simple as undoing (ctrl-z) something. But these annoying/inconvenient delays pale in comparison when compared to the delays when toggling the 'before-and-after' function to see how my edits are going (hello pinwheel of death for literally three seconds each time I toggle this function - making it absolutely unusable), and, even worse still, when I import photos.

I haven't transferred my whole image library over to my new computer because I work professionally as a photographer and run a tight ship on my images - when I've finished a project for a client, I export everything onto my backup drives and out of lightroom. So my new computer is a fresh canvas, with literally no collections in LR to be slowing things down. This is the first batch of images I've tried to import, and they're not even from my high-res work camera but one of my 'play' cameras - an old Canon 7d.

So I tried to import 259 images from the 7d, which are roughly 18mb each, straight to my internal ssd hd. So no wild file sizes here, it's a 10-year-old camera. It took ages, like noticeably ages, but only while building the standard-sized previews. I thought it had frozen, so I cancelled the procedure, ejected the card and tried again. Once again, it hadn't finished by the time I got back from getting a coffee. I left it this time, to make sure it was still working, and sure enough, it was slowly progressing. Once it was finished, I plugged the same card in the same reader with the same import settings into my old macbook, to do a test.

With the five-year-old 2014 macbook pro, the times are as follows when importing 259 raw files:

Copy and import           - 02:12

Convert to DNG            - 02:20

Render preview times   - 00:34

Total import time           - 05:07 minutes

On the new iMac:

Copy and import           - 02:10 (essentially the same time)

Convert to DNG            - 01:43 (half a minute quicker, nice)

Render preview times   - 10:34 (literally 10 minutes slower, a lifetime. Entire civilisations have risen and fallen quicker than these previews rendered)

Total import time           - 14:29 minutes

This is unbelievable/unacceptable. This surely can only be an issue with the new lightroom? My new iMac's specs are great, far beyond what my old macbook pro is running, but the same images are unworkable on my new computer. I don't want to hear excuses about me running a 5k display and how much processing power that must need. Here's a youtube video of something importing a comparable amount of significantly bigger raw files, and doing so in a much quicker fashion: 2019 Apple iMac i5 3.7Ghz Adobe Lightroom Classic CC Review - YouTube​. That youtuber also seems to be able to flick through his images quicker than I can. Likewise, I don't want to hear if I've tried turning off/on the graphics processor - I have, and it shouldn't (and doesn't for me) make any difference with a computer like this.

Is there any way to install the older lightroom and test/use that? Otherwise I, seemingly like many others, will be cancelling my Adobe membership to go elsewhere.

Well, that's where I'm at. I hope there's a trick, but I've tried a bunch of things (different preview sizes/settings, cache sizes etc). Pretty ready to walk on Adobe.

Anyone else in the same boat?

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phototocanvaspdx
Known Participant
February 1, 2020

Hey there- this is the youtuber you linked above. Im wondering if you ever had any luck with this? Im thinking of upgrading to the a7riv, and a little worried about how my imac will handle the large files. 

I do think Lightroom has bugs with the 5k. My low end 2016 macbook pro handles files better than my new imac, and it only has a 2600 pixel monitor. 

Anyways I hope you got it figured out!

Participant
September 20, 2019

Hello,

 

Curious if any of these suggestions have worked ot make your LR run efficiently? I've been having the same issues as you and it's been going on now for a few months.  I have a 2014 27" iMac witih 32GB RAM an can hardly use LR and need it to run my photography business as well.  I've experienced tech guys come to see what they can find out and they can only say they've done everything research allows them to make this run smoother to no avial.  Each and every detail you've described is what I am experiencing on a daily basis. It takes me an obnoxious amount of time to edit one image. Looking for tried and true repair results. 

Participant
September 20, 2019

I looked up some additional info on this issue and for the first time in months it is working splendidly! I'm so ecstatic! I have the instructions below that helped me.

 

Make sure you are in the latest version of LR classic

Go to preferences then performance and increase the camera raw cache size to 10.00GB or larger

On the same tab, check the option to use smart previews instead of the original for image editing and uncheck the option to generate previews in parallel.

Go to the general tab and check the box to replace embedded previews by standard previes during idle time.

Once you have made these changes quit LR classic and relaunch

You can also optimize the catalog through the perfomance tab and then check if that helps.

 

Not sure if one or all of these made the difference but LR classic is working as it should during editing.

Participant
September 20, 2019
Make sure you're in the latest version of LR
GoldingD
Legend
August 11, 2019

One thing I overlooked, Library standard previews. Yes, I know, your in Develop, but at some point those standard previews get updated, how large have you set them in catalog settings?

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/lightroom-performance-previews-caches/

GoldingD
Legend
August 8, 2019

Spend some time reading this post: Lightroom Classic: Poor Performance on Mac with 5K display | Photoshop Family Customer Community

Look at what Carlos Cardona contributed. Status of MAC OS CACH,s, various clutter, bad RAM, not enough RAM, Application states, etc

GoldingD
Legend
August 7, 2019

Trying to remember all the tweaks to attempt to improve performance on MAC 4/5K displays

In Develop module, select 1:1 or smaller, 1:2, 1:3 (smaller view) to cut down on pixels in LR windows showing the image.

In Develop, make side, top, and bottom panels as large as possible, decreasing area available for the LR window showing the image.

In Develop, force use of Smart Previews

Clear History panel?

use a smaller (resolution ) monitor

And for a Windows OS, just reduce the resolution

Community Expert
August 7, 2019

remic38892421  wrote

With the five-year-old 2014 macbook pro, the times are as follows when importing 259 raw files:

Copy and import           - 02:12

Convert to DNG            - 02:20

Render preview times   - 00:34

Total import time           - 05:07 minutes

On the new iMac:

Copy and import           - 02:10 (essentially the same time)

Convert to DNG            - 01:43 (half a minute quicker, nice)

Render preview times   - 10:34 (literally 10 minutes slower, a lifetime. Entire civilisations have risen and fallen quicker than these previews rendered)

Total import time           - 14:29 minutes

The difference in preview rendering time is probably caused by Lightroom needing to render far larger previews for the 5K iMac than the older MacBook pro and the fact that Classic 8 gives a lower priority to preview generation. The default size for the previews is based on the resolution for your main screen (look in the catalog settings for the size previews are generated at and you'll see it is different between the two machines).  One main trick to speeding Lightroom Classic up is to NOT generate previews at all on import. Just make it use the embedded jpegs in the raw files initially for culling. You'll be ready to cull far quicker. Another major timesaver is to not convert to DNG. There is no good reason to do so except saving a bit of disk space. If you import and make it use embedded previews and omit converting to DNG you save massive amounts of time.

Note that the previews are not used at all in Develop. They are generally useless.

dj_paige
Legend
August 5, 2019

Lightroom slow on a Mac with a 5K monitor when you perform local adjustments like spot healing and brushing ... this has been reported many times and is a common problem. In my opinion, the problem is that spot healing and brushing simply does not work well in Lightroom on 5K monitors, and there is no real solution at this time.

Some things you can try:

  • turn OFF the GPU acceleration (Preferences->Performance tab->Uncheck "Use Graphics Processor). Note: this may make other things slower
  • do the brushing/spot healing as the next to last editing step, and the last editing step is to turn on lens corrections and transforms
  • do the brushing/spot healing in Photoshop
  • try a 1920x1080 monitor
GoldingD
Legend
August 5, 2019

dj_paige  wrote

Some things you can try:

  • turn OFF the GPU acceleration (Preferences->Performance tab->Uncheck "Use Graphics Processor). Note: this may make other things slower
  • do the brushing/spot healing as the next to last editing step, and the last editing step is to turn on lens corrections and transforms
  • do the brushing/spot healing in Photoshop
  • try a 1920x1080 monitor

hmm, completely overlooked that option. Not a 4K capable MAC owner.

So inquiries

’1. A 4K capable MAC, one of those that only provide scaling for a 4K monitor, if a lesser external monitor is connected, then the GPU will in fact just push out say 1920x1080. Of course it would.

ok, that leads to the next

2. Some monitors via in monitor menus can be adjusted for various situations. Hmm could allowed resolution be one? So a 4K monitor could then be a 2K monitor.and MAC OS would treat it as such?

Would Not work on an actual Retina display (monitor)