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Jun 24, 2023 6:05 PM UTC
Question

(Monterey) Metadata Field loses focus and triggers KBSCs

I am using Lightroom Classic 12.4 in MacOS 12.6.6.

 

Since one of the more recent updates of the MacOS version of Lightroom Classic I have been have been having an issue where I will be typing text into the Library metadata fields ("title", "caption", etc.) and it will suddenly trigger some sort of lightroom keyboard shortcut and take me to a "Develop" feature I didn't mean to invoke. This is super annoying! Most recently it caused the photo whose Metadata I was editing to be hidden or moved in the Library somehow so it no longer even shows up in Lightroom search. Again, this is super annoying.

 

Is there a way to disable keyboard shortcuts or at least could they not be invoked when the mouse or keyboard focus is on a Library Metadata field?

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Participant
Sep 4, 2024 2:44 PM UTC

I can confirm that this is happeneing to me too, Lightroom 13.5.1 in OSX 12.7.6 Monterey. Exactly as others are describing. If I have multiple images selected in Grid view, click in the Caption metadata field and start to type a caption, the first letter only is accepted, and immediately LRC flashes up a progress bar in the top left, presumably as it applies that single letter caption to all the images. I'm aware of it now, so after one letter I wait, then reselect the Caption field to continue. But if I forget, then as reported all of the following letters are seen as shortcut keystrokes and all sorts of mayhem happens! Screens, views, options all triggered and I have to restart LRC to try to get back to where I was. This is surely a bug?

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johnrellis
Legend
Sep 4, 2024 5:57 PM UTC

@RobNSB: "This is surely a bug?"

 

Yes. But it's only been reported for Mac OS 12 and earlier. That makes it less likely Adobe will prioritize a fix:

 

- LR 14 is due in mid-October.

- LR 14 will likely only support Mac OS 13 or later (*)

- Adobe only supports the most recent version of LR.

 

So in six weeks, this bug will no longer affect a supported version of LR.

 

(*) History of LR's support for Mac OS:

 

LR 13 -- Mac OS 12 or later

LR 12 -- Mac OS 11 or later

LR 11 -- Mac OS 10.15 or later

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Participant
Sep 7, 2024 12:55 PM UTC

I understand all of that, and thank you for the versioning details. but LR13 IS a supposted product and the system specifications state that it IS capable of running in OS12, https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cc/system-requirements.html and therefore this is a bug which should be fixed in my opinion. For Adobe to wait 6 weeks until any obligation to fix this expires seems lazy to me. That's my opinion.

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johnrellis
Legend
Jan 24, 2024 7:15 PM UTC
Bob Somrak
Legend
Nov 2, 2023 10:54 PM UTC

YES,  this is a bug still in the latest LrC 13.   The issue is it only happens on Monterey which is still a supported OS.  As said before, this ONLY happens the first time you type something in a metadata field after starting LrC.  Easy work around if you remember.

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oldpiefke
Known Participant
Nov 2, 2023 11:05 PM UTC

Hey Bob,

yes easy to go arround, but what if you press backdelete you will be asked by the system to delete foto and if you are quick, like always when typing keywords, you might loose a picture. THANK YOU, bad thing which should be quickly repaired

Try it please and press twice backdelete as first option in keyword field :-((

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Conrad_C
Community Expert
Community Expert
Nov 2, 2023 10:31 PM UTC

OK, I have recently started to see this myself, recently. It is not easy to reproduce, because it doesn’t always happen. It took me several tries of restarting Lightroom Classic to record an instance of it happening, but there it is (see animation below). I tried to write the caption “Sunset view of…” but you can see that only the S got recorded as a caption before Lightroom Classic exited field focus, and once that happened, as already reported by others, with no field in focus, Lightroom Classic interprets keystrokes as shortcuts.

 

In my demo, when you see the image change to acquire a black border, that’s because by the time I typed the “n” in sunset, Lightroom Classic had escaped the caption field and interpreted that as the N shortcut for Survey view, which adds black borders to each image preview.

 

And yes, I have also seen this happen with other metadata such as keywords.

 

So you can now add me to the side that has seen this bug in action. 🙂

 

macOS 12.7.1

MacBook Pro M1 Pro

Lightroom Classic 13.0.1, but I’ve probably seen it in an earlier version.

 

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Rikk Flohr-Retired
Adobe Employee
Nov 2, 2023 9:40 PM UTC

I am unable to replicate this failure with the instructions given.  
Mac 13.5.2
LrC 13.0.1 

Better instructions and system information are needed for consistent replication. Can anyone in this thread supply those?

 

 

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Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
oldpiefke
Known Participant
Nov 2, 2023 9:45 PM UTC

Very simple : Restart LrC - go to keyword field - enter the first letter - f.e. F and your actual picture is shown as full screen view instead of F as first letter of new keyword for picture And ATTENTION Failure happens only after restart for the first keyword letter !! Additional info : I have checked and shown this two days ago on phone and remote screen with the helpdesk in India

 

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Rikk Flohr-Retired
Adobe Employee
Nov 2, 2023 9:48 PM UTC

Working fine here:  


I am still not able to replicate the issue.  

 

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Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
oldpiefke
Known Participant
Nov 2, 2023 9:25 PM UTC

Hey have you checked vers 13.01. From my point of view bug is still in.

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oldpiefke
Known Participant
Oct 31, 2023 11:18 AM UTC

Mein System : Adobe LrC 12.5, MAC Pro with macOS 12.7

Fehler : Bei EIngabe von Stichwort nach dem Starten der Applikation, wird der erste Buchstabe des neuen Keywords als Tastenkurzbefehl interpretiert. z.B. Eingabe des Wortes Ford, wird das erste F als Vollbildanzeige interpretiert. Gehe ich danach in das Eingabefeld Stichwort, dann funktioniert die Eingabe, bis ich das Programm neu starte.

Fehler bekannt?

Wie ist die Abhilfe?

Liebe Grüsse aus Cadolzburg

Franz-Josef

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JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
Oct 31, 2023 11:24 AM UTC

Moved from 'Bugs' to 'Discussions'. Even if this is a bug, you cannot file bug reports for outdated versions. BTW, there is no version 12.5...

And please do not double post, also not in two different languages.

 

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-- Johan W. Elzenga
oldpiefke
Known Participant
Nov 2, 2023 9:07 PM UTC

Hey Johan, what kind of communication is this : It is a bug, and you can not file bug report

If it is a bug, and it is a big one for me, I will ever report this!!!

 

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Participating Frequently
Oct 31, 2023 4:13 AM UTC

When starting to type in the title or caption field, after typing one character the keyboard focus is lost and keystrokes start getting interpreted as shortcut commands doing god-knows-what.  This behavior is frequent, but does not happen every time either.  This is new behavior that started recently, in the last 4 months or so.

 

Needless to say, this makes adding metadata to photos very difficult.  Combined with the bug that the title or caption field gets truncated and is not entirely displayed, a bug that was reported by multiple people years ago and has yet to be fixed, and Lightroom is becoming unusable as a photo cataloging tool.

 

Lightroom Classic 13.0.1 [ 202310121438-d2af310c ], MacOS 12.7.1.

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johnrellis
Legend
Nov 2, 2023 9:18 PM UTC

There have been a couple other reports about this misbehavior in the last few months.

 

Moderators, @Rikk Flohr: Photography, please merge with this thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/keyboard-shortcuts/m-p/13890090

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Conrad_C
Community Expert
Community Expert
Jun 24, 2023 7:31 PM UTC

There’s no way to disable the built-in keyboard shortcuts, but there shouldn’t be any need to…because what you’re seeing is not supposed to work that way. What it sounds like is something is causing keyboard focus to exit the text field, because the single-key shortcuts only apply when no text field has focus.

 

My Mac is also on macOS 12, and the reason I’m replying is that I’ve seen something similar. Maybe it isn’t the same as what you’re seeing, and I don’t know the exact cause, and it doesn’t happen all the time. But there have been times when I am typing in a Mac app and it starts beeping, and I realize it’s because something caused macOS to escape the text field.

 

I suspected it was some process that was in the background and decided to come to the foreground, and because it would keep happening and I had no idea which process it was, I would log out of macOS and log back in, and that would cure it for a while. (If that didn’t work, I would restart.)

 

Because it doesn’t happen all the time, and I haven’t seen it in a while, I am not sure if what I saw is related to your issue at all. But you should at least log out and back in, or restart the Mac, and see if that clears it up at least temporarily. (The point of logging out/restarting is to quit all user processes in case one is misbehaving.) If it continues to happen after that, try looking for any non-Apple software that’s running and has the potential to interrupt a foreground process. Especially the kind that lets you assign keyboard shortcuts or gestures that can be system-wide (overriding other applications).

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oldpiefke
Known Participant
Nov 2, 2023 9:29 PM UTC

Hey Conrad,

this failure happens onyl the very first time you enter the first letter of the new keyword. If you once accept this shortcut function of the first letter of the new keyword and  you go back into keyword section it will work until you restart LrC. Its absolutely ugly, but every new start of the application has that bug :-((( and it is still in version 13.01

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