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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

App version
System details
Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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Lonnie34621000nz70

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Just some feedback, was trying to remove the post & cable in the top center (coming from behind the building). Tried several times, parts of the cable disappeared, but the post would just turn white and would not remove (with sky filling in the background as I'd have expected). Link to .CR3 file if desired. (system details below jpg)

Using Adobe LR Classic

Lightroom Classic version: 14.3.1 [ 202505061331-b063faef ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 11 - Home Premium Edition

Version: 11.0.26100

Application architecture: x64

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Logical processor count: 20

Processor speed: 3.6GHz

SqLite Version: 3.36.0

CPU Utilisation: 3.0%

Power Source: Plugged In

Built-in memory: 32509.4 MB

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 2012.5MB / 12086.0MB (16%)

Real memory available to Lightroom: 32509.4 MB

Real memory used by Lightroom: 4572.0 MB (14.0%)

Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 14925.4 MB

GDI objects count: 1269

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Internal Camera Raw version: 17.3.1 [ 2227 ]

Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5

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Init State: GPU for Export supported by default

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Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic

Library Path: C:\Users\monke\OneDrive\Pictures\Lightroom\Lightroom Catalog-v13-5.lrcat

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johnrellis

Legend

@Lonnie34621000nz70: "Tried several times, parts of the cable disappeared, but the post would just turn white and would not remove"

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos, like the cable in your photo.

2. It looks like you applied Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky):

The red dot under the Masking icon in the upper-right indicates that you need to tell LR to recompute the Sky mask by doing the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings:

cdquint

Participant

I like some improvements to the Remove in LRC. I am on version 14.3.1 and my OS is Sequoia 15.5. Sometimes when I have a group of people to Remove I have to do it in bit and pieces, doing the removal of everyone all at one doesn't work sometimes. Also, I just tried removing an airplane cloud trailer in the sky and it removed it but it is evident because the replacement sky is a different color of blue than the rest of the sky.

johnrellis

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@cdquint: "the replacement sky is a different color of blue than the rest of the sky."

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo's tone or noise. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try removing smaller selections if possible.

3. Conversely, try making a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeable then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Or use a Brush mask with maximum feathering, dropping local Texture, Clarity, and Sharpness to their minimum values. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

romeojohn

Inspiring

I would like to see an option to 'feather the selection for removal as I found the replacement with a sharpish edge when removing from an otherwise plain area

Hrs33446

Participant

I find generative remove to be a terrible tool. It either does not remove unwanted object or removes it too lightly. Is there an opacity setting? I tried many times. AI in this program is awful.

johnrellis

Legend

@Hrs33446: "It either does not remove unwanted object or removes it too lightly."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. After clicking Remove, check that the Opacity slider is 100 -- LR infrequently changes it to something else.

3. If you applied Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky or Subject mask), do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask.

4. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Abel Miguel26834819kv0z

Participant

Bad hands, bad faces.

SamuelStallardPhotography

Participant

There's an issue with smoothing/chaning skin where the generative fill recognizes an "inappropriate" object incorrectly and refuses to generate. Here's the issue:

johnrellis

Legend

@SamuelStallardPhotography: "There's an issue with smoothing/chaning skin where the generative fill recognizes an "inappropriate" object incorrectly and refuses to generate."

Thanks for posting an example. Many have complained that Generative Remove has way too many false positives for adult and child p o r n (forum filter), making it unsuitable for serious professional work.

Brandon.J.Youngblood

Participant

Really like it, and it usually does what I want. However, when I try to remove people, it often generates more people in their place. I just want it to remove people from the scene, totally, with the first suggestion being one that has no replacement people there - just the background.

johnrellis

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@Brandon.J.Youngblood: "when I try to remove people, it often generates more people in their place."

You have to select the entire person, even parts that are disconnected (e.g. a hand over another person's shoulder) and shadows and reflection:

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably, especially people:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Brandon.J.Youngblood

Participant

Thank you so much for the substantive reply! That really helps.

MicheleDeeVee!!

Participant

The RAI still adds new objects instead of just removing. I tried to remove flowers from on top of large rocks and it removed it and replaced it with smaller ones.

johnrellis

Legend

@MicheleDeeVee!!: "The RAI still adds new objects instead of just removing. I tried to remove flowers from on top of large rocks and it removed it and replaced it with smaller ones."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

danw94986099

Participant

If you zoom in and then try to use the generative remove feature, there's no way to continue moving around the photo to see other parts of it. As least as far as I can tell.

johnrellis

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@danw94986099: "If you zoom in and then try to use the generative remove feature, there's no way to continue moving around the photo to see other parts of it."

While the Remove panel is open, hold down the space bar and the mouse cursor turns into a hand you can use to click-and-drag to pan the photo. While holding down the space bar, clicking the mouse will toggle between "fit" and the current zoom level. You can change the zoom level using Cmd/Ctrl - and Cmd/Ctrl = or the Zoom slider in the toolbar at the bottom.

geoffrey_9597

Participant

Did they just update the generative remove tool? Instead of removing people from photos, it's now adding in AI generated people and objects. I preferred when it just removed things and didn't try to add to a picture.

.Michael.

Inspiring

Hi geoffrey_9597, I had the same problem some weeks ago. As I can remember I found a checkbox which solved the issue. Problem: I do not find it as I'm looking for it ... I'm pushing the button "Remove" (after a mask was set) and it is exaclty doing it as expected in LrC 14.3.1.

christen_7038

Participant

The remove feature does not match the grain or noise of an image and leaves a line around the removed area. For instance, removing something off of a blank wall with an image taken at a high ISO. The remove tool does a good job of removing the item and matching the wall. but is smooth and doesn't match the grain/noise, leaving an obvious demarcation.

johnrellis

Legend

@christen_7038: "The remove feature does not match the grain or noise of an image and leaves a line around the removed area. For instance, removing something off of a blank wall with an image taken at a high ISO."

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