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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

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Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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Michael van Bevern

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No idea what happened. I use generative removal very often, and up until a few days ago I was generally quite impressed with the tool. Since the latest update, I can only say that to a limited extent. Suddenly, not only the marked areas but also directly adjacent areas are being deleted or distorted. I now often need many more variations than before to get a halfway satisfactory result. In some cases it doesn’t work at all anymore, because the distortion of the surrounding areas can’t be avoided and leads to the most absurd results. I also don’t understand the new “Remove reflections” feature at all — for me, large areas are seemingly blurred completely at random, but reflections are not removed.

johnrellis

Legend

@Michael van Bevern: "Suddenly, not only the marked areas but also directly adjacent areas are being deleted or distorted."

A couple of others have reported this issue:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-gen-remove-now-changes-elements-outside-the-painted-mask-14-5/m-p/15457946

It would help everyone (users and Adobe) to understand the issue better and use the tool more effectively to see more examples -- please attach here some full-resolution JPEGs of the original, unedited images, and also include screenshots showing the Remove selection you've made (in red) and the end result. Screenshots by themselves won't help develop more effective techniques for using the current tool.

Armin Fuchs

Participant

Hallo.

KI verweigert den Dienst bei manchen Photos.

'Richtlinien' oder so ein Unsinn ... - zwei kleine Engelstatuen werden als unzulässig eingestuft!

Ihr habt noch viel Arbeit vor Euch!

Und die ganzen Zensurmaßnahmen nerven nur noch!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen - Armin Fuchs.

davidlloydsf

Participant

The remove tool in photoshop is remarkable. However, Lightroom's generative remove ai tool is much less sophisticated. How come Lightrooms remove features aren't as good or better than photoshop, considering the larger data set? It would be a much more seamless workflow for photography retouching.

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Saikat Chakraborty

Participant

In some cases the removed area has different adjustments than the rest of the page if an adjustment was performed before applying generative remove.

johnrellis

Legend

@Saikat Chakraborty: "In some cases the removed area has different adjustments than the rest of the page if an adjustment was performed before applying generative remove."

You likely applied Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. Background. Is the AI Edit Status button yellow? Click it and then Update:

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Saikat Chakraborty

Participant

I see, thanks for that tip, will apply appropriately. However it was not on a AI mask though. Its just that sometime we have to do the Generative Remove first and then apply adjustment it seems.

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Alannah23561231v95o

Participant

When using any of the remove tools, the object or shape I remove becomes a white shadow rather than removing at all...? I tried to remove a dog from the background here... but you can still see his form

johnrellis

Legend

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@Alannah23561231v95o: "When using any of the remove tools, the object or shape I remove becomes a white shadow"

Looks like you've applied Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky). Is the AI Edit Status button yellow? Click it and then Update:

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gwenrosekrans

Participant

I understand the removal tool, but who on earth would want to "remove a person" just to have it replaced with a random person? Remove means remove, not replace! Please Adobe fix that! Maybe also add where we can add or subtract an area from removal. Example, I tried to remove my husband for a photo so I could use it for work, and it would either replace him with a stranger, or distort half my face. I love the AI addition, but it definitely needs some love!

ScreenRecording_08-08-2025_12-17-21_1.zip

FrankMazz

Inspiring

Gwen, This may not be useful, but *I think* there is a generative fill
command (Edit menu?) that will allow you to select areas of “your” image to
use in the replacement. IOW, Photoshop won’t go looking for other people. I
had cases where PS will find a person from another photo in the same folder
on my hard drive. I find that practice at the very least weird and actually
quite rude.

Frank Mazzocco Photography Sent from iPad/iPhone

Thanks for your help. I'll help when I can do so without guessing.

johnrellis

Legend

"I had cases where PS will find a person from another photo in the same folder on my hard drive."

Generate AI Remove doesn't work that way -- it always synthesizes replacements based on its AI model trained on millions of photos.

FrankMazz

Inspiring

I'm not going to read through 1300 comments to see if this was covered. I just want to say the "Detect Objects" feature in the LrC Remove tool is *awful.* Mostly it grabs way too much detail *outside* of my selection area, requiring the use of the subtract brush. Secondly, it's just awful at finding objects, I just selected a fawn to remove from a photo; but the tool only found the head, chest and front legs; I had to add the hind quarter. Just awful! The results were fine but the selection is awful. I'm not good a grabbing screen shots, that would be the best way to show you, sorry.

Thanks for your help. I'll help when I can do so without guessing.

johnrellis

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@nathank58160098: "The detect objects feature is useless if when I trace the object, it quadruples the footprint I've highlighted onto everything around it. This is so useless now with this latest update."

@FrankMazz: "it's just awful at finding objects,"

Detect Objects hasn't changed since it was first introduced last fall. Many have observed that it fails in many situations, including skinny objects and objects near the edges of photos.

I never use it -- it's much easier just to select the object manually.

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nathank58160098

Participant

The detect objects feature is useless if when I trace the object, it quadruples the footprint I've highlighted onto everything around it. This is so useless now with this latest update.

erica60735567

Participant

I would love there to be a soften edge option for instances where the background is a solid color. The way the tool is now, it creates a noticable line where it erased.

johnrellis

Legend

@erica60735567: "I would love there to be a soften edge option for instances where the background is a solid color."

I agree -- many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo's tone or noise. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try removing smaller selections if possible.

3. Conversely, try making a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeable then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Or use a Brush mask with maximum feathering, dropping local Texture, Clarity, and Sharpness to their minimum values. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

alinn7654797

Participant

What does generative remove mean to you?! In my mind, you (AI) analize the background and figure out how to replace the offending object or part of object I just highlighted - and replace it with the background, hopefully making the background look seamless, not replace a protruding elbow with a whole person - WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING IN THE PICTURE. i DONT WANT A ROCK REPLACED WITH A WHOLE WALL!!. WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?! "REMOVE" means to take away "NOT TO ADD"! - PLAIN ENGLISH! AI- I CAN PROVIDE YE WITH A DICTIONARY IF YOU NEED!! oy!

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