P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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In general (in Lightroom with every version of generative AI remove) I have noticed generative AI has trouble recognizing people/faces when they are not in a normal, upright standing/sitting position. I work with dancers, gymnasts and acrobats and they are often in poses that are not typical for a person. After all that's the whole point of their sports. What is very easy for a human to see and understand, for example a person bend backwards, both the AI masks and the AI generative remove/fill fail.

I'm running into this problem on a daily basis. Here is just one example. The dancer does an extreme backbend with the face on the ground. I'm trying to fix the wrikled forehead. AI remove 'sees' the face, but doesn't understand it's upside down. It adds a mouth to where it would be if it was upright. I have regenerated many times. It always adds some version of a mouth. Rotating the photo 180 degree does not help. The system seems to have the original orientation info and seems to use that.

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That is creepy!

In this case, it looks like Remove is trying to match the shadow and reflection of the forehead on the shiny floor. When I select that as well, it does a better job in the first several variations:

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Sometimes there is a way to do it, sometimes with just the healing brush. As I said, it's just an example of a more general issue I am dealing with on a daily basis. The AI is often failing to recognize peaople and their features if they are in 'unnatural' poses like the athletes I work with.

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tennisnjt

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I have no idea what is going on with the remove tool. It was working great and now for the past few days it's doing strange this. For example, I just want to remove one person from the background of a photo and instead of removing it it is replacing it with another person or a weird object. When I open in photoshop I can remove easily. So strange because I was loving this feature in LrC.

Photo with man in water with red shorts is original and what I want edited out. The other photos are strange results.

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Lightroom does that sometimes when your selection brush is just over the, in this case, person. Try to include more under the man, where his reflection is in the water. In general I found it works better if you select more, a larger area around the object you want to remove.

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@tennisnjt: "I just want to remove one person from the background of a photo and instead of removing it it is replacing it with another person or a weird object"

Elaborating on @DavidH77's good reply:

You need to include reflections and shadows cast by the objects you want to remove, otherwise LR will generate a replacement that tries to match the reflections and shadows. (In general, it would look weird to have a shadow without something casting it.) Also, don't use Detect Objects -- it doesn't work well and often won't select shadows and reflections, and it fails with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

In your example, note the reflection below the man in the background. If you select all of it, then the man gets replaced by the background water:

See this short article for more details on how to remove objects reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article.

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Go to Settings -> Update AI settings

Or use

[Option] + [Command] + U

Or click on the little yellow circular arrors at the top right

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Rebecca217624854pcb

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I've been experiencing a sporadic error "generative remove failed". I searched that it could be my firewall, but I've disabled and it still persists. Also, it doesn't do it consistantly. I always get the error on trying remove larger objects and it works more often than not on smaller objects, but even then I sometimes get the error. How can I get this error to stop?

Gabriel E._Escobar L�8187

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@Rebecca217624854pcb: "I've been experiencing a sporadic error "generative remove failed". ... it could be my firewall, but I've disabled and it still persists."

If the full error message is "Generative Remove Failed. We've encountered an issue and can't complete your request at this time. Please try again later.", then try connecting to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

If the full error message is something different, please include a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) of the entire error.

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With the last update in Lightroom Classic, Generative Remove isn't removing objects, it just replaces them with other random things with bad quality. And if I use just the Remove option, it makes a mess, it doesn't remove the object, it creates stain that looks worse.

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@Gabriel E._Escobar L�8187: "With the last update in Lightroom Classic, Generative Remove isn't removing objects, it just replaces them with other random things with bad quality."

Generative AI Remove hasn't changed since LR 14.0. To get it to remove rather than replace:

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Joseph Allen-Keys

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A lot of generations aren't blending - like it needs feathering on the brush. It makes the corrections too obvious to use.

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@Joseph Allen-Keys: "A lot of generations aren't blending - like it needs feathering on the brush. It makes the corrections too obvious to use."

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo's tone or noise. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try removing smaller selections if possible.

3. Conversely, try making a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeable then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Or use a Brush mask with maximum feathering, dropping local Texture, Clarity, and Sharpness to their minimum values. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

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Bia34334092y5g2

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Desde la ultima version funciona muy mal, trato de utilizar la herramienta, la selecciono y no aparece el circulo de seleccion, no funciona basicamente.

sabinem35087755

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Wenn ich Menschen entfernen möchte, möchte ich keine anderenMenschen an dieser Stelle. Btw. Wissen diese eingefügten Menschen, dass sie von Adobe als Flickwerk benutzt werden?

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Sabienem, das Thema wurde hier schon mehrfach besprochen. Lightroom's generative AI option kann Personen wunderbar und komplett entfernen. Wenn andere Meschen generiert werden, dann ist der Fehler das die Auswahl nicht die ganze Person abgedeckt hat. Stelle sicher das du die ganze Person mit dem Remove brush abdeckst und auch etwas daruber hinaus gehst. Auch Spiegelungen im Boden oder Glass die eine Reflektion der Person zeigen (unscharf oder nicht) muss mit ausgewaehlt werden.

Zu deinen Bedenken ob die Menschen die eingefuegt werden davon wissen. Das ist ein Missverstaendniss auf deiner Seite. Das sind keine echten Menschen. Das sind keine Fotos die eingefuegt werden. Die gibt es nicht. KI generiert dies Bilder.

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@sabinem35087755: "If I want to remove people, I don't want any other people in that position. By the way, do these inserted people know that Adobe is using them as a patchwork?"

To build on @DavidH77 excellent reply, make sure you also select any shadows cast by the person, as well as any body parts separated from the main body (e.g. a hand resting on someone else's shoulder). See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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TimothyFY2025

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Sorry, but the "Remove" tool is worthless. Moreover, for generations we have called it "spotting." Adams, Cunningham, Van D---, E. Weston, and way before, all called it "spotting." The spotting tool in LRC is so convoluted that I just export to my image file, and from there "spot" using the file tools. The file reader makes immaculate, two step removals.

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@TimothyFY2025: "The spotting tool in LRC is so convoluted..."

Are you talking about the Heal tool? What's convoluted about it? I just used it to remove dust from several dozen slide scans this afternoon, and it was dumb simple -- click on a dust spot and it disappears.

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Steven31501606e2fj

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Half of the time it clones even though it's on the remove setting. Def not what I'm paying good money for.