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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

App version
System details
Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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Luigi Irace

Participant

Doesn't work on underwear/swimsuit photography even if it's completely covered intimate parts. I completely understand the reasoning behind this but we use these tools to work and they shouldn't hinder but they should make our work easier...

Luigi Irace --

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AlexJz

Inspiring

Using this thread to ask a question, since there's quite a bit of knowledge:

I tried this week end using Gen remove on an image I wanted to export a HDR version as well.

If I do the remove while HDR is on, going back to SDR mode, the replaced portions are almost complete dark.

Reverse happens if I do the remove on the SDR version, switching to HDR yields pure white.

My first reflex was to kill any AI masks; none were impacted in any case by the Gen remove, and it didn't change anyway.

Am I missing something or is it not possible to do that?

iPad Pro M4 - Lightroom iPad

johnrellis

Legend

@AlexJz: "If I do the remove while HDR is on, going back to SDR mode, the replaced portions are almost complete dark. Reverse happens if I do the remove on the SDR version, switching to HDR yields pure white."

I just did a quickie test and didn't observe that. In either direction, the Remove replacement remained well-blended in. I don't recall any posts about this before, but since HDR editing isn't widely used yet, you may be the first to report a bug or limitation.

Please upload a sample raw and screenshots showing the precise Remove select you've made and any changes you've made to Basic panel sliders. Upload the raw to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive or similar free service and post the sharing link here.

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Tom de Kort

Participant

I tried to remove a tree on the right side. The generative remove yields unusable results: the sky is completely off. Any idea how to fix this?
Much appreciated!

Lightroom classic 14.1.1
Sonoma Version 14.6.1 (23G93)

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

Did you use a sky mask? If so, you must update that mask. Another thought: This kind of removal might work better with the normal remove tool, rather than generative remove tool.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Tom de Kort

Participant

I did not use any masking.
The regular remove tool gives me trippy results because the tree is on the border of the frame.

Isn't this a setting/color space thing? This is a 3984x5976 DNG file

Thanks Johan!

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CedricSimon

Participant

Hi, I am trying to understand why my generative remove attempts are sometimes very blurry compared to the rest of the photo, even with small patches. It was the case in all my session yesterday. For some reason, today, simply regenerating the same spots gives better results (but still blurry). I have the feeling Photoshop does better here, at least, is more consistent.
My photos are not high resolution (only 12MP DNG from a Pixel 6a)...

johnrellis

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@CedricSimon: "I am trying to understand why my generative remove attempts are sometimes very blurry compared to the rest of the photo, even with small patches. It was the case in all my session yesterday. For some reason, today, simply regenerating the same spots gives better results (but still blurry)."

Generative AI Remove often doesn't match the surrounding noise/grain with replacement patches. Sometimes running Denoise first significantly improves the match. If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot) and attach a screenshot showing what you've selected for Remove. That will let us see more precisely what the issue might be.

"I have the feeling Photoshop does better here, at least, is more consistent."

PS and LR use the same Adobe Firefly Generative AI Remove, though their user interfaces are different, and they have different other remove modes (e.g. Heal, Clone, and Content-Aware in LR). So when comparing Generative Remove in the two apps, in LR make sure you've got Remove mode selected with Use Generative AI selected:

and in PS make sure Mode: Generative AI On is selected:

If you encounter an example where Generative Remove behaves differently in the two apps, it would be good to post an example here (with unmodified, full-resolution JPEGs). To date, no one has posted an example where the two apps differ.

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CedricSimon

Participant

Well, I am realizing that in PS I was not using the "remove tool" from Camera Raw, but the "generative fill" floating windows, and I simply enter nothing, so basically it removes my selection.
So in the end, in PS I was not doing the modification on the DNG file, but on a "flatten/exported" version of it, after Camera Raw has done its work. This could explain the small differences I noticed!

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HeidiXX

Participant

Remove AI does not work. No apply buttom. Instead of removing the imge is being replaced.

johnrellis

Legend

"Instead of removing the imge is being replaced."

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Dale26355517xubj

Participating Frequently

When I use generative fill in LRC it often shows the outline of the area that I selected, leaving a border. I've attached an unmodified jpeg as well as a screenshot of the before and after where you can see the line of the selection.

johnrellis

Legend

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Often, Remove doesn't match tones well in flat tonal areas, as in your example. Sometimes you can fix that by selecting a larger area:

(You can get rid of the newly added wall outlet with a second application of Remove.)

Other techniques for ameliorating a tone mismatch: make the selection more raggedy; use short strokes with the Heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering; use the Brush mask and set Texture, Clarity, and Sharpness low to blur the area.

valentinosh

Participating Frequently

i do it to remove a face and in the place it generates new faces.

why not put a tab , with the old options ? like cloning and stuff

lots of time those stuf doesnt work, creating lots more of work

johnrellis

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@valentinosh: "i do it to remove a face and in the place it generates new faces...lots of time those stuf doesnt work, creating lots more of work"

If you select a face but leave parts of the body unselected, even parts that are disconnected, Remove will generate a replacement that tries to match that body. Select all of the body along with the face.

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

"why not put a tab , with the old options ? like cloning and stuff"

The older Clone, Heal, and Content-Aware modes are still available:

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coryp21354218

Participant

Generative Remove Failed: We're experiencing delays due to high demand. Please try again later. I tried agian multiple times. How can I get around this? I have alot of dust spots to remove from a large timelapse sequence.

johnrellis

Legend

Use the Clone or Heal mode for dust spots -- much faster, doesn't use Adobe severs. And just as good.

C.Cella

Legend

Content Aware (renamed as Remove) is also good for spots or hot pixels.

For small stuff it works.

Christophe Galinier

Participant

Bonjour

je trouve que sur MaC avec le dernier IOS la supression avec IA fonctionne trés bien je devais suprimer un gros camion d'un paysage

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AJ73

Participant

A simple scenario in removing a black cable in front of the sky results in just replacing the black line by a white. Several update cycles could not fix the behaviour. This is very weak. If this was the first version with generative remove OK, but this is not the case anymore.

Lightroom 14.2.

johnrellis

Legend

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LR does a good job of removing the wire from your screenshot:

Most likely you've applied Remove on top of a Sky mask. Do Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the Sky mask. See this short article for Adobe's recommended order in which to apply editing operations:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/