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August 13, 2024
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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

  • August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Participant
January 12, 2025

In both LR and PS Beta, I have tried to remove one person from a group photo, but generative ai persistently tries to fill the space with another person.  All I want to do is remove the person and fill the space with the background.  I have tried everything including tighten the selection, expand the selection to include part of the background, but no matter what I do, PS and LR ai puts another figure in place of the one I am trying to remove.  What am I doing wrong?  Also, I dragged the photo into your box below, and it said it was too big - come on, as a professional photographer, I deal only in large raw files and I would expect Adobe to accommodate!

 

 

August_The_Dragonfly
Participating Frequently
January 12, 2025

I've had luck using the heal brush and cloning basic background elements over the person first (like a really bad paint over) and then using the generative AI with no prompt in segments to clean up edges and such.

August_The_Dragonfly
Participating Frequently
January 12, 2025

Seriously the number of times I'm randomly told "We encountered an error please review our guidelines" with 1) No actual explination what it is talking is both extremely unhelpful and extrmemely aggrivating and 2) given my best guess in most cases quite literally inaccurate. I get that it's looking at the whole image to try to generate the best matching content I'm wanting but it's detecting for example too much skin and instead of erasing the flyaway hairs I've selected to erase it's like assuming I'm trying to erase clothing or some nonsense instead of seeing I'm trying to erase a dude in the background. 

 

1) Actually add what the system thinks I'm doing that's against the "guidelines" as that's just plain useful info and not including it is plain stupid. Yes, stupid. Serves no one to not give a proper error message it's 2025 not 1993.

2) Please adjust how it determines this as it's throwing false negatives like crazy. 

johnrellis
Legend
January 12, 2025

@August_The_Dragonfly:  "We encountered an error please review our guidelines"

 

There are a fair number of similar complaints in this thread about Remove mistakenly thinking a photo violates Adobe Firefly guidelines. You can read the "guidelines" (i.e. rules) here:

https://www.adobe.com/legal/licenses-terms/adobe-gen-ai-user-guidelines.html

 

So far, however, no one has posted sample images that were wrongly flagged.

Participant
January 11, 2025

Hello, 

 

I just switched from LR to LRC and I'm frequently having issues with the gen AI tool in LRC that I cannot replicate in LR when I try to remove the same thing on the same photo. It seems like gen AI has a hard time matching the right exposure (boat removal image) and I've also noticed it will add more texture or grain at times so when you remove something you'll just see a blob in the sky (Kite removal image). 

 

johnrellis
Legend
January 11, 2025

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@Colin332508902nkk, with the boat, it very much looks like you've applied an AI mask to the water to darken it, and that mask didn't include the boat itself:

 

Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Mask to recompute the mask after removing the boat, and you should get a very good replacement:

 

A similar issue appears to apply to the kite -- it looks like you've used a Sky mask to lighten the sky, and the mask didn't include the kite. Again, do the command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask.  You should get a much closer (but still somewhat noticeable) replacement with a distinct boundary:

 

 

Many have complained here about such mismatches in tone and texture. In this case, you can use the healing brush with many short strokes on the boundary to feather it, making it much less obtrusive:

 

Other techniques for these mismatches sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try using smaller selections if possible.

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeble then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

johnrellis
Legend
January 11, 2025

@Colin332508902nkk: Now that you know the issue with Remove and AI masking, are you still seeing a big difference between LR Desktop and LR Classic? If so, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), along with screenshots describing the problem edits, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.

Participant
January 10, 2025

Can give very decent results - but the natural texture and grain from the original area are lost. The result is fine for my general current needs (usually significantly downsampled) - but something to keep an eye on...

 

johnrellis
Legend
January 10, 2025

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo well. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try using smaller selections if possible.

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeble then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

Participant
January 9, 2025

Very simple. Give us a prompt in LR to say REMOVE! not replace a subject with another person. 

johnrellis
Legend
January 9, 2025

"Very simple. Give us a prompt in LR to say REMOVE! not replace a subject with another person."

 

See this short article for how to remove objects reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Participant
January 9, 2025

It works well, but I would _love_ to be able to feather the edges. It's often quite obvious where the fill starts. 

For example, you can clearly see the brush edge here:

 

johnrellis
Legend
January 9, 2025

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Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo well. In your example, you can ameliorate the problem by using the Heal tool to feather the replacement with the surrounding background -- apply it in short, overlapping strokes:

 

Other techniques that sometimes help:

 

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry).

 

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background.

4. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

jtwind
Participant
January 7, 2025

spot removal just doesn't work any longer in my lightroom classic

johnrellis
Legend
January 7, 2025

@jtwind: "spot removal just doesn't work any longer in my lightroom classic"

 

Please describe in more detail what you're trying and observing. A full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) can be most effective.

jtwind
Participant
January 7, 2025

clicking on specific dust spot, none of the spot removal modes get rid of it. Tried all three.  Had to got to photoshop.

Known Participant
January 6, 2025

Wasn't able to remove the wires using Lightroom Classic.   Photoshop was much better.    Detailed instruction link for using LR?

johnrellis
Legend
January 6, 2025

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Uncheck the option Detect Objects -- it often doesn't work very well, especially with long skinny objects and objects on the edges of the photo. Then select the entire wire with a single selection, even if there are some trees intervening -- otherwise, Remove sometimes tries to generate a replacement matching the rest of the wire:

 

 

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Participant
January 6, 2025

Still not at professional level quality.

I find Generative Remove useful in some cases, but most of the time it's completely unusable due to the weird texture/grain quality of the AI-produced image. It shows up the worst on flat, even sections of an image (like the sky).

In these cases, Generative Remove is easy to spot - there's an obvious colour, texture, and sometimes exposure shift. Even if the AI-generated image blends in well in terms of shape or overall content, it can't seem to match the grain/pixel texture of photographs from professional cameras.

johnrellis
Legend
January 6, 2025

@Jeremy26803694vwct: "In these cases, Generative Remove is easy to spot - there's an obvious colour, texture, and sometimes exposure shift."

 

Lots of people have complained about the replacements not matching in grain, noise, or tone.

To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help (but often not):

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry).

 

3. Make a larger selection of the background.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes.

2. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

 

Participating Frequently
January 5, 2025

AI wordt nog steeds niet opgeslagen in je foto
Bij opnieuw openen heb je weer wat anders

Known Participant
January 5, 2025
That's interesting. I have not had that experience. I will try to see if I
can duplicate something like that. Furthermore, I use AI in Lightroom and
export to Photoshop sometimes - further edit and save back to Lightroom.
The AI-edited images stay edited.


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