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pinkypunk35
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Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

    Correct answer MassC
    Hi Everyone,

    We are happy to announce the release of Lightroom Classic CC 8.2. With this release, we’ve introduced a new feature called Enhanced Details.

    Photographers using cameras featuring X-Trans sensors should see an improved rendering of their Fuji raw files.

    To learn more about how this new feature works check out the blog post:  https://theblog.adobe.com/enhance-details/

    Cheers,
    Carissa

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    pinkypunk35Author
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    June 16, 2015
    Finally the hard work paid off, Adobe have today confirmed they are working on improving Fuji X Trans RAW files.

    From the Lightroom June update release notes.

    In collaboration with Fujifilm, we are still investigating methods to improve fine detail rendering and overall edge definition.

    https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjour...
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    Darius_K_
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    June 16, 2015
    Good news. fujirumors.com posted, that Adobe will improve X-Trans support.

    http://www.fujirumors.com/adobe-says-...
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    pinkypunk35Author
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    June 16, 2015
    Thanks for the input James, please do post some photos, JPEGS & RAWS preferably.

    Are you using LR 6? For me that's even worse, opening files and basic editing takes forever.

    Adobe really have lost touch with it's customers, still not even commenting despite this being the third most popular problem in the entire feedback forum.

    Makes one wonder what the point of the forum is to be honest.
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    3dit0r1
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    June 16, 2015
    I bought an X-T1 again, and tried running the same files through LR and Iridient. The difference is unbelievable, frankly. I will post some images later on, but I will say my own, subjective, conclusion is that it is more than just a sharpening problem - there appears to be more detail de-mosaiced in the Iridient file to begin with, detail which doesn't appear to be there for LR to sharpen in it's own rendering.

    I don't actually like having another RAW developer in the workflow, though, and would prefer to work with just LR. At the moment, for landscape work at least on x-trans, I find this is simply not an acceptable option. How long have Adobe had to get on top of this now? Three years? Four? Whereas a standalone developer who designed Iridient has nailed it. Couldn't you just employ the guy and have done with it?
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    pinkypunk35Author
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    May 18, 2015
    There is no legal reason why they can't comment on their own software. They have the option of simply acknowledging the many users complaining about the issue and have a choice whether they see this as something that needs improving, or whether they see it as something which they are unable or unwilling to focus on.

    There is no reason or them not to communicate with their users.
    ssprengel
    ssprengel
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    May 16, 2015
    For the reasons, above, you're unlikely to get #2 until if and when #1 has occurred.
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    pinkypunk35Author
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    May 15, 2015
    Consumers just want 2 things.

    1) For Lightroom to match (or better) competing RAW processors
    2) For Adobe to comment on the issue
    ssprengel
    ssprengel
    Inspiring
    May 15, 2015
    It is very unlikely Adobe would make negative comments about Fuji or toward Fuji-camera-owners or give hints about their attitude toward revamping Fuji processing--such things could get them into legal trouble as well as affect their stock price.

    Adobe is still getting 100,000+ new CC subscribers each month. When improving Fuji support has higher marketing potential for increasing LR's contribution to those CC subscribers than adding new features like facial recognition or a touch-friendly interface maybe it'll be done, right?

    I think Adobe has to be careful about using a third-party demosaicking solution like Darktable or dcraw, even if it's free, because at some point it might not be free and then Adobe would owe someone lots of money for using it and if it's open then Adobe would be expected to contribute their improvements which they may not want to do. It's far safer to buy someone else's intellectual property or develop in house, and so far neither of those options have provided superior quality.
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    pinkypunk35Author
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    May 15, 2015
    Sorry James, but Adobe not working with Fuji is more of an Issue for Fuji than it is for Adobe - they stand to lose far more.

    I have heard from many sources that Fuji have given Adobe all the algorythms and data needed, but Adobe don't feel there is benefit in pooling resources into this for Fuji users (instead they make new features like iPhoto 1990 face detection).

    And even if that was the case it wouldn't explain why all the other RAW developers are producing better results than Adobe, which really is the issue here.

    Adobe does and OK job in the main, but it's obviously not up to the standard of some far smaller softwares written by lone people in bedrooms; and that really is the crux of the problem - Fuji Lightroom users simply want an explanation why this is, or even some comment saying they don't care for Fuji users.

    But Adobe just continually fail to respond to this which just exaggerates the issue for consumers, for Fuji and for Adobe.
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    fleckintosh
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    May 14, 2015
    @ Marat: If you like to buy Iridient Developer, i guess you own a Mac.

    Watch out for the upcoming Affinity Photo!

    https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/

    Still in beta, but an awesome app, will kick adobes butt and will compete photoshop!

    When it is ready, it will cost around 50€ - as a standalone app via the mac app store. buy it instead of rent it!

    Booom :D

    I am finished with adobe. I was thinking about leaving this group, but i decided to stay to promote every good photo app for fuji and take away customers from adobe 😛
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