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January 22, 2023
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The Lightroom team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.

How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots).
By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke.
Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects.
Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control.

Checkout the FAQ and Best Practices

Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr

Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.

Update:

Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it.

Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issues by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace

The recommended order for applying edits is:

Denoise
Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
Global Edits
AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu.

Correct answer daleducatte

Hi, I'm getting the same error messages, as are some other people. There's a recent post on Reddit from an Adobe employee that Adobe is aware of the problem and is working on it. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/1fka2el/suddenly_unable_to_use_the_remove_tool_due_to/

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Rgrenader

Known Participant

I tried using Gen AI Remove on an image containing an annoying No Trespassing sign. The process ran, and instead of deleting the sign, Gen AI created a transparent "ghost" replacement.

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

@Rgrenader

The ghost replacement is likely because you'd previously applied an AI mask to the image (check for red dot below the Masks icon on toolbar). You can remove the ghost using the 'Update AI Settings' in Develop module Settings menu or within the mask panel itself as shown in attached screenshot.

Rgrenader

Known Participant

Nope. I redid the removal process, using Gen AI, and this is the ghost image.

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ggrossman_photo

Participating Frequently

It would be easier to "see" the 3 variation AI changes if the icon was not superimposed on the image. Is there any way to turn the visual of the icon on/off?

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

You should be able to hide the pin using the H key.

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Westward Leather

Participant

Hello Adobe Team!

I am a fan of implementing these new tools into the LR toolbox. My initial feedback, is that this tool works best with outlier objects that are fairly isolated, and do not overlap with anything you intend to keep in the photograph. Otherwise, it seems to get quite confused about the task. Also, if it doesn't work at first go, trying to add to it seems to confuse the tool.

My primary initial report is that, if Generative AI is that last tool used before exiting the Remove/Heal/Clone toolbar, the first tool that opens when going back to that toolbar (Q), has often been defaulting to the masking portion for Generative AI, which forces you to approve a mask, and then goes throught the AI analyzing, before you are able to unselect that tool in order to use the basic Remove tool, or any other of the two tools. This is a time-suck, because you can't bypass it to select a different tool until you've gone through those two steps. Maybe I'm missing a way to exit without going through those motions?

More concerning to me though, is that since the update with the addition of Generative AI, and the Lens Blur tool--Lightroom Classic is running MUCH slower than it did before. Transitioning between photos on the Develop filmstrip is often lagging, sometimes for more than 30 seconds before registering the next photo. And using almost all the tools, from crop to coloring, is often lagging as well, allowing adjustments but not reflecting them in the photo in real time like it did prior to this latest update. And my computer is not old, or slow...it's top end editing software.

This being the case, I think unless this can be fixed, I would sacrifice those two new tools for the better workflow that Lightroom had before they were added. Especially since we are able to use Photoshop for those fine-tuned kind of edits, which only select photos need in the first place. BUT, I'm all for Lightroom trying to improve, so if these things can be fine tuned, I'm in.

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

> Transitioning between photos on the Develop filmstrip is often lagging, sometimes for more than 30 seconds before registering the next photo.

@Westward Leather

It should not take that long, and is very likely related to the new Develop module caching behaviour introduced in LrC 13.3. I recommend that you start a new thread describing your expereince when transistioning between photos. You should also include a copy of your 'System Info'. This can be obtained from the LrC Help > System Info menu item. You can copy the info using the Copy button from within the dialog. Paste same into your post in new thread.

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jean-claudeg83383526

Participant

Depuis l'installation "accès anticipé"la fonction ne fonctionne plus et donne un message d'erreur..

johnrellis

Legend

@jean-claudeg83383526: Google translation: "Since the "early access" installation, the function no longer works and gives an error message: Generative Deletion Failed. Check your Internet connection and try again."

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot.

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Bellwography

Participant

Hi All,

haven't got chance to test the solution much, but the same as for Photoshop Generative Fill, I see the colors issue - please find the sample in the attachment. Original image size is 4000x6000, ARW, shot on Sony A7III, processed on MBP M1 16GB.

In Photoshop I have tried all the solutions proposed in the topic, no luck though. Hope this gets fixed in both apps ASAP, as the AI functionalities are barely usable otherwise.

johnrellis

Legend

@Bellwography, had you previously applied masking to the area where you then applied Remove? That would cause such mismatches. Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings.

If that doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.

besler

Known Participant

Cannot even get close to the results I get in Photoshop with Generative AI in Lightroom Classic. It always seems to want to add new elements ... not remove them. Trying to remove the edge of a tree on the side of my frame, and it wants to insert new leaves.

Excited about this, but it needs A LOT OF WORK to be production ready.

johnrellis

Legend

@besler: "Trying to remove the edge of a tree on the side of my frame, and it wants to insert new leaves."

Temporarily remove any crop and disable Lens Corrections and Transform. Include a generous boundary around the object, including any shadows or reflections, and then it should be replaced with background (removed) rather than with another version of the object. See this article:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

If that doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.

besler

Known Participant

Thanks. Hopefully that'll be fixed down the road ... I shouldn't have to remove a crop, disable Lens Corrections and Transform in order to do that correctly. Oftentimes cropping is the first thing I do, and I don't know what needs to be removed with Generative AI until that step is done.

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CLAUDIO ROSSETTI

Participant

il programma genera nuovi soggetti simili a quello che vorrei togliere, invece io vorrei SOLO togliere il mio soggetto senza generarne di nuovi. grazie

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

@CLAUDIO ROSSETTI

Have a look at below linked tutorial. It demonstrates how to use the tool to remove rather than replace.

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

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redb0xster

Participating Frequently

I realize this is a radical suggestion, but perhaps a tool that does not really remove objects should not be called the Remove tool???

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Unicorneu

Participant

Generative AI removal feature works most of the time pretty well. In a few instances, however, it replaced people with other people instead of filling in the surrounding background. New additions had a rather creepy appearance.

johnrellis

Legend

@Unicorneu: "In a few instances, however, it replaced people with other peoplei"

Temporarily remove any crop and disable Lens Corrections and Transform. Include a generous boundary around the object, including any shadows or reflections, and then it should be replaced with background (removed) rather than with another version of the object. See this article:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

If that doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.

jjDaley

Participant

It's probably an early implementation bug but FYI, when using the new remove tool I''ve found instances of it properly removing an object (cable) from an image in the LRC interface (image 1) but if that same image is synced to the web, on the published version the removal shows some obvious irregularities (image 2.)

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stefanosg81785881

Participant

The biggest update ever since adding the generative fill!!!I've noticed it does better when selecting in parts. I love that I don't need to spot heal in Photoshop as much.

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