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January 22, 2023
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The Lightroom team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.

How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots).
By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke.
Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects.
Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control.

Checkout the FAQ and Best Practices

Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr

Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.

Update:

Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it.

Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issues by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace

The recommended order for applying edits is:

Denoise
Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
Global Edits
AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu.

Correct answer daleducatte

Hi, I'm getting the same error messages, as are some other people. There's a recent post on Reddit from an Adobe employee that Adobe is aware of the problem and is working on it. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/1fka2el/suddenly_unable_to_use_the_remove_tool_due_to/

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Marina39068792byt2

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no funciona.
funcionaba antes pero ahora no hace nada, ni borra ni agrega, nada

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MMacDonald

Participant

Been using LR since it first came out; not a big Photoshop user. This tool is a huge improvement. Not perfect, but then what is? Thanks to the creators.

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tshepo_2158

Participant

why is the Generative AI now disabled? it worked wonders

johnrellis

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@tshepo_2158: "why is the Generative AI now disabled?"

It's not disabled for other users. Please post a full-resolution screenshot (not phone pic) of the entire LR window showing how it's disabled for you.

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willemientje

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It sometimes removes just a part of the selected area, and it would be nice if it recognised edges so the selection woulde be more precise.

johnrellis

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@willemientje: "It sometimes removes just a part of the selected area"

Your screenshot shows there are two selections of the bird in the background:

You are tripping over a design misfeature of LR Classic that isn't present in LR Desktop or Camera Raw. To remove an object, you need to select all of its disconnected pieces. But in LR Classic, when you click Add to select the second disconnected piece, LR inexplicably treats that as a second selection, not as part of the first selection. (The two selections are displayed as separate pins, as in your screenshot.) Then when you click Apply, Remove processes the first selection, generating a replacement that considers the second piece still present, then it processes the second selection.

The workaround is to select all of disconnected pieces with connected brush strokes and then use Subtract to remove parts you don't want selected. See this article for a more detailed explanation with examples:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/threads/removing-disconnected-objects-select-everything-then-subtract.50579/

When I use this workaround with your screenshot, Remove quickly removes all traces of the background bird.

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Maya361279701ktg

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works great I love it

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brianl7355968

Participant

Today seems like a good day for a 1st post.

I have had great sucess with the tool, the results at times have bordered on pure magic. But I am stuck on one element on the attached image where I can not remove the placard that is leaning on the front bumper of the car.

I had no issues removing the other objects on the ground in front of the car, along with the other objects and the people in the background, but that one placard leaning on the bumber has me stumped.

I have tried the guidance I have read about here and at Lightroom Queen, but Generative AI seems determined to replace the object, not remove it.

I am wondering if the shadows under the front bumber and to the right of the object are tripping up Generative AI? The image SOC is under exposed, but that is easily correctable in LR.

Thanks in advance for any guidance that can help me with this image.

I am using LR Classic, 13.5.1, Camera Raw 16.5, on a Mac Studio running Sonoma 14.6.1.

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ArcherA4

Known Participant

Still finding my way with this but certainly looks like the shadow - I did a quick hack just

object selecting the sign and got a grey box

There's quite a clear square shadow on the floor and manually adding that, and anything that could be a shadow of the sign took the sign straight out...

Arnold-Norway

Known Participant

I like the AI Generative Remove, even on this early stage. There is a lot to learn, possibly every situation is different, and many situations need different aproach.
I think it is irrelevant to talk about remove or replace. Every object we remove from a photo, has to be replaced by something. Otherwise there will be a blanc space or a hole in the photo. I think some background or combination of background and object has to be filled in.

I will show two photos, that are very different.
The person leaving the consert is maybe quite simple.

The microphone in the face of the artist was very difficult. The microphone, tripod and wire had to be removed in increments. I guess many situations are not a one-click-remove, but need more than one step and some finetuning.

RegardsArnold Hoddevik

johnrellis

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@Arnold-Norway: "The microphone in the face of the artist was very difficult. The microphone, tripod and wire had to be removed in increments."

Did you have Object Aware selected? Using your screenshot with Object Aware selected, it didn't automatically select the entire microphone and cable, and I had to manually use Add to include them all in the selection. But then Apply did a good job of replacing the entire selection on the first try:

Arnold-Norway

Known Participant

Sorry, @johnrellis. Francly I can't remember exactly how I did the first atempt, when it failed. But in the final result I had Object Aware checked for the microphone and upper part of the tripod.
After your reply, I did a new remove, with Object Aware checked, and made sure the whole microphone setup was masked. The result was very good.
It is important to read the linked articles, and follow the beest practise guidelines.

RegardsArnold Hoddevik

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DMG#3

Participant

have used this on sports photos and it is awful ... nothing at all like the "marketing" leads to believe... want to remove arms or heads or reflected light and when using the tool, in the methond mentioned abobe the AI provides awful subsititutions.... wont use it and appears once again adobe is over-promising and making the user interface complicated and cumbersome.

johnrellis

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@DMG#3: "want to remove arms or heads ... the AI provides awful subsititutions"

When you select just part of a body or other object, Generative Remove will often try to generate a replacement that matches the unselected part of the object, rather than replacing it with background. If you select all of the body or object, including its disconnected parts and shadows it casts, Remove usually does a much better job.

See this article for more details on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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ArcherA4

Known Participant

It is probably a measure of how good and how useful this feature is that I spend a lot of time hopping between Generative Remove & Content Aware Remove ie from unwanted objects to dust spots/bits of debris etc

I know about the Ctrl-Alt-G shortcut but I feel that the processes are sufficiently different/have distinct enough roles to warrant a separate mode button within Remove

(You may also get fewer bitter complaints that Generative Remove takes too long to remove dust spots from people unable to read Tips...)

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Karrie2558914421p7

Participant

Pretty impressive guys! Cleaned up a lot of distractions in my photos.

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richardr75333445

Participant

Use to work great. It would remove the selected item. Now half the time it wants to replace it, not remove it. Seems like a step backwards

johnrellis

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@richardr75333445: "half the time it wants to replace it, not remove it."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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