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Boycott Creative Cloud?

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May 7, 2013
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If you haven't heard, CS6 is the last CS version. From now on, you have to rent your applications via the Creative Cloud. I don't like the new subscription model. I have bought every CS upgrade since version 1, but it looks like CS6 is the end for me, even if it means keeping an old computer around just to run CS6 applications.

Perhaps Adobe would change its mind in a few months if most everyone avoided signing up for the subscription. In any case, they've created a real opportunity for competitors.

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Kuttyjoe

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Boycott Adobe and use what? Corel products? The truth is, there's no program in the world like Photoshop. Adobe has the market leading software in a number of important segments so if you boycott Adobe, you will make your own work much harder if not impossible. I've tried quite a few programs over the last several years and nothing is nearly as good as Adobe products. Generally, nothing even comes close. Photoshop has no competition. Illustrator has some competition like CorelDraw. There are possibilities there but you'll become incompatible with the rest of the world and never properly open a pdf file without either Illustrator or Acrobat. So while I agree with you that I've no interest in simply paying Adobe for the rest of my career, I haven't found anything more than one off programs that I can use for some isolated creative work. But it still gets processed for production/printing with Adobe products. Until someone steps up and tries to compete with Adobe, a lot of us are stuck.

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zippity do da

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@kuttyjoe

So you are nothing without Adobe? You are not a creative artist, designer or photographer unless you have Adobe Cloud to back up your work?

Just stick with it sign up and enjoy the ride then dont question anything its all OK.

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Kuttyjoe

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Replacing Photoshop is the challenge. I started looking for ways to replace Photoshop 5 or 6 years ago. I already know how difficult this is. I'll have to give up a large degree of power, speed, convenience, tools, reliability, etc. Photoshop is just too far ahead of everything else. Giving up these things means taking longer to get the same work done. That means a loss of income if I can't figure out how to maintain the same speed without the same quality products. Or, you can take the risk that you will always be able to pay Adobe every month. And that you'll be willing to keep paying them even if you're no longer making a living with their products.

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uhanepono

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Adobe is more of an environment than an app. We have to leave that environment to see that it's so and to know there are plenty of other apps that do the same things and then some.

cobbling together all of Photoshop functions in other apps.

For HDR = photomatix (better than ps!) and others

For photo retouch and efects, (bokey, b&w etc) = Perfect photo suite (as a stand alone) , gimp, photoline, pixelmator and others

For panoramas = hugin, and others

for general photo manipulation = photoline, gimp, pixelmator and others

For painting and art = corel painter, art rage, and many others.

Most of these apps open PSD files and some even will save in that formal if it's what you want. Tifs are a better bet.

Brad_Trent

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While I appreciate the sentiment, professional photographers don't work in a world like you describe. We work with designers, retouchers and collateral industry professionals who all use Adobe products. Jumping from Corel to Gimp to Pixelmator is hardly a solution.

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uhanepono

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True that. I am hoping adobe relents, myself. I do like to have those capabilties like you. They are, though, what make adobe suites an environment rather than a collection of apps. They can hold an entire workflow hostage for the same reason. This move to cloud only use makes many uneasy and, therefore, on the lookout for alternatives. I am sure developers will step forward with alternatives that play nice together. This is natural selection at work. Nature being the mother of invention. I will continue with my copy of PS6 for as long as it suits my needs and is viable on my future OS config. I already use some of the apps I mention above for various things, like the great HDR engine, photomatix. I get used to importing and exporting from to different apps to complete a project. I work alone though and have that latitude. I understand your dilema, being a team player, needing to work in tandem seamlessly with others. It's early days yet. I wait and watch.

Brad_Trent wrote:
While I appreciate the sentiment, professional photographers don't work in a world like you describe. We work with designers, retouchers and collateral industry professionals who all use Adobe products. Jumping from Corel to Gimp to Pixelmator is hardly a solution.

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lucretius3

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I loathe subscriptions. Adobe can count me out. Can I still buy an upgrade of PS CS6?

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Anonymous

Creative Cloud can go to hell. I will never rent Photoshop. Adobe is out of touch with a large swath of its users.

pf22

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Gary Politzer wrote:
Creative Cloud can go to hell. I will never rent Photoshop. Adobe is out of touch with a large swath of its users.

Adobe has made, I believe, a conscious decision to walk away from the enthusiast/semi-pro photographer market, and concentrate on the design studios and agencies; Hell, they're even ticking off some of the pro's!

I was talking to one of my clients today, a pro photographer who, believe me, doesn't have to worry about the cost of the software, and he was absolutely outraged by what Adobe have done. He said that if he could work entirely in Lightroom, he'd dump Photoshop in a heartbeat, unfortunately that's not an option for him.

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Jeff Schewe

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pf22 wrote:
I was talking to one of my clients today, a pro photographer who, believe me, doesn't have to worry about the cost of the software, and he was absolutely outraged by what Adobe have done. He said that if he could work entirely in Lightroom, he'd dump Photoshop in a heartbeat, unfortunately that's not an option for him.

So, was this a rational outrage? Or is he just outraged at change? There's a difference...a lot of "outrage" is based on little or wrong info from people who haven't even tried a subscription model. Adobe has made it pretty cheap to test this for the next year, $9.99/month. I suggest people stock up on CS6 and then consider doing a subscription to Photoshop CC for a year and see for themselves whether or not a subscription model works for them...particularly if the cost isn't an issue.

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Anonymous

Here's a novel idea. Dust off your old 35mm slr and load it with black and white, shoot it, soup it, run it thru your dusty old enlarger, smell the stop bath....and become a photograher again. Somewhere Ansul Adams is smiling.

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wes1

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Sorry, I am too old to spend too much time in the dark. That time will be coming faster than I want it to. I might have to shoot only jpegs though if RAW convertors will be a problem. I have experience with the old methods but had rather stay in the present. Dealing with greedy people is never pleasant for me. Thanks for your suggestion though. Be my guest to spend time in the dark room and be happy.

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wes1

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Count me into the boycott. I am so sick and tired of this greedy world. I, like so many others. am a hobbiest photographer but, even before the photography, I have used Adobe PS since its inception, even when there was no layers. I am an anatomist and used it long ago to put make images that I used in my teaching. I have always loved Photoshop and felt comfortable with what I thought was a trusting company with their long list of customers being of interest. Now, I, too, feel like they just want to gauge their custmers for a lot more money. I do have CS6 but will be looking for something else if Adobe follows through with the CC S**T. I am tired of being a slave to all of their greed. First they pull you in with a nice program and then kick the legs out from under you.

I hope that all of the Adobe people are proud of themselves.

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donetryint

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Photoshop is awesome and I use it every day. However I am now looking at alternative software providers who are not greedy money grabbers. Sad to see you go Photoshop. You were once loved by so many.

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walterono

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What alternatives are people looking at? I haven't managed to find any 64 bit graphics applications (for Windows). What alternative raw converters are people using?

MW Design

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@Walterono

PhotoLine, for Windows (there's a Mac version too) installs both a 32-bit and 64-bit version on 64-bit Windows.

It is a dated looking interface. Frequently updated. Updates can (and have) included new features during a major revision number. the two brothers who do the programming concentrate on squashing the few bugs that creep in and adding features rather than redoing the GUI. It has been around for years and years.

Mike

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donetryint

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Will not be signing up. Spent over 2 hours on the phone to India today who could tell me NOTHING. If Adobe is farming out their customers to India then Adobe is just trying to rake in profits.

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9.donekneenopics,
May 11, 2013 1:27 AM in reply to Mike Wickham
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Will not be signing up. Spent over 2 hours on the phone to India today who could tell me NOTHING. If Adobe is farming out their customers to India then Adobe is just trying to rake in profits.

This was one main reason I abandoned QuarkXpress. However, I have never been routed to India when calling Adobe and have been thankful for that. Hopefully I never have to encounter that if or when I have to call Adobe.