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Photoshop CS3 color management "Save for Web" problem

  • October 31, 2007
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This problem is getting the best of me.......

After spending 3 full days researching this problem, I am no closer to finding an answer than when I started. I still cannot produce a usable image through the "Save for Web" feature of Photoshop CS3. I have read web page after web page of "Tips, Tricks and Recommendations" from dozens of experts, some from this forum, and still I have no solution... I am exhausted and frustrated to say the least. Here's the simple facts that I know at this point.

I have a web design project that was started in PS CS1. All artwork was created in photoshop and exported to JPG format by using "Save for Web". Every image displays correctly in these browsers (Safari, Camino, FireFox and even Internet Explorer on a PC).

I have recently upgraded to PS CS3 and now cannot get any newly JPG'd image to display correctly. My original settings in CS1 were of no concern to me at the time, because it always just worked, and so I do not know what they were. I have opened a few of my previous images in CS3 and found that sRGB-2.1 displays them more or less accurately. I am using sRGB 2.1 working space. Upon openning these previous image files, I get the "Missing Profile" message and of course I select "Leave as is. Do Not color manage". CS3 assumes sRGB-2.1 working space, opens the file, and all is well.

The problem is when I go to "Save for Web", the saturation goes up, and the colors change. The opposite of what most people are reporting. Here's another important point... new artwork created in CS3 does exactly the same thing, so it's not because of the older CS1 files.

I have tried every combination of "uncompensated color", "Convert to sRGB", "ICC Profile", etc. while saving. I have Converted to sRGB before saving, and my monitor is calibrated correctly.
I have tried setting the "Save for Web" page on 2-up and the "original" on the left is already color shifted before I even hit the "Save" button. Of course, the "Optimized" image on the right looks perfect because I am cheating by selecting the "Use Document Color Profile" item. Why do they even have this feature if doesn't work, or misleads you?

Does anyone have any ideas what could be happening here? Why is this all so screwed up?
CS1 worked fine out of the box.

Final note: I do have an image file I could send along that demonstrates how it is possible to display an image exactly the same in all 4 of the browsers I mentioned with no color differences. It is untagged RGB and somehow it just works.

I am very frustrated with all of this and any suggestions will be appreciated

Thanks,
Pete
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    November 2, 2007
    What I've seen in the past (CS2 and earlier) is that if I have an AdobeRGB image and I go to SFW, the colours shift as though I "Assigned" the sRGB profile instead of Converting it. Which is why I was so happy to see a built in "convert to sRGB" option in SFW in CS3, and it worked perfectly on the iMac I was using in my previous job. The cause for concern here is that is seems that different people using the same SFW settings and the same situations (eg. Adobe RGB image being the source image) are getting different results. I'm inclined to think that it's not necessarily and Adobe glitch, and maybe related to the monitor and/or calibration software, but that doesn't really make sense to me either. (Earlier I commented that I thought it shouldn't matter what colour profile is being used, PS shouldn't use different profiles for different tasks. I should clarify I meant monitor profile in Display Preferences, not image profile tags.)

    There are some useful suggestions here on how to find what I consider to be a workaround solution, but the fact remains (I think it's fact anyway!) that the same settings are getting different results from different people. So it still seems unresolved to me.

    On a side note, I must say I feel that g ballard (Gary?), you have seemed a little rude in some of your postings. I can understand your frustration, but I'm detecting a bit of and insulting flavour in some of your comments towards other people. (eg. "Ok if you don't want to spend two minutes following my basic troubleshooting step...") It's clear you feel that you have provided a clear solution, but as per my comments earlier in this post, I don't feel that way. Just putting that out there. Thanks for your and other's time and help.
    November 2, 2007
    Thanks, Tom. That was taken last year right after Sabino Canyon was flooded out and they had to close most of it.
    Tom_Murray_1
    Inspiring
    November 2, 2007
    Nice photo of Sabino Canyon.
    Now using Affinity Photo
    November 2, 2007
    I thought I was kornfused before... now I'm really :-\
    Participating Frequently
    November 2, 2007
    G

    The SFW works as you say it does - but it should not work like this because users get confused - just - aka example of said thread.

    This cross check color space cluster should not reside in SFW. General users don't need the monitor profile kornfusing this issue of monitor space and SFW. There are millions of users using whats ur buckets color space for monitors and whateverucallit monitors.

    Web developers could generally care less - they just want sRGB and not what we have in SFW.

    save the file out of the save as dialog and go on your way.
    Participating Frequently
    November 2, 2007
    >There is a very little difference going on so I must be real close with my calibration.

    What it means is that your monitor is very close to sRGB then any other color space.
    November 2, 2007

    "softproofing sRGB in Monitor RGB should not whack out."

    My monitor is not whacking out since I re-calibrated. There is a very little difference going on so I must be real close with my calibration. I would say that, Peter's problem is with the calibration method he is using. Doing it by eye doesn't really get you where you need to be and maybe the calibration device he is using won't get him there either. I don't believe it's a problem with the brand of monitor but could the type of video card play into the equation?

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    November 2, 2007
    >For now, I will fudge the color and hope for the best. Maybe I should just re-install CS1 on another machine.

    I keep Photoshop 7.0.1, 8, 9.0.2 and 10 installed on my machine for unexpected issues like this.

    Photoshop CS3 has been the most spectacular upgrade in terms of features, but one of the worst as far as its implementation.

    You can even run two different versions of Photoshop simultaneously, just launch the older version first. To be safe, designate different volumes as scratch disk for each version.
    Participating Frequently
    November 2, 2007
    Ok if you don't want to spend two minutes following my basic troubleshooting step to rule out your monitor profile...I wouldn't spend too much time on the Photoshop bug theory, though, you likely have something else going on since Softproofing AdobeRGB in Monitor RGB should not stay the same, and softproofing sRGB in 2.2 gamma Monitor RGB should not whack out color.

    Good luck.
    _Peter_Mars_작성자
    Participating Frequently
    November 2, 2007
    OK... thanks Gary.

    Again, that works for me only if the image was already created in sRGB. If it's an AdobeRGB image and I do "Convert to sRGB", Proof Setup > Monitor RGB, things look bad.

    I'm not sure what this says about my monitor profile.... besides, I have also created an "Apple Calibrator" profile by hand that does pretty much the same thing.