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May 23, 2012
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Denoiser problem

  • May 23, 2012
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Hi,

I've applied the denoiser effect to a number of clips to eliminate some hiss from an interview. (Need to match audio quality from a interview shot on an EX3 and then continued on a DSLR.) Seemed to do the job just fine until I played back the timeline. There is a lag in the effect as I go from clip to clip. Some of the audio levels start really low and then come up to normal, as if there's a delay on the effect. I've seen some old posts reporting this problem and am wondering if any of you can tell me if there's been any progress on a fix for this denoiser bug. Using Premiere Pro CS5 on a Windows 7 machine. Thanks.

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SOLUTION

If the noisy clips are the only thing on that audio track, you can add the Denoiser effect from the audio mixer panel rather that applying it to each clip. The effect will apply to everything on that audio track, and I've found that it gets rid of the delays and oscillations of the Denoiser effect lots of times.

Open the audio mixer panel and you should see a slider there for each track and a master. At the top left of the mixer panel UI is a triangle toggle like the ones on all of the bins in Premiere's UI. Use the toggle to expand the mixer panel to show the fx bus. There you can pull down a list of all of the audio fx to apply to each track. After adding an effect to a track, right click on it and choose "edit" to make adjustments. You can do this while your timeline is playing to hear the results. You can also keyframe effects on the timeline by setting the track display to "show track keyframes". That option is down on the audio tracks in the timeline panel.

Since I learned of these options, I know find them indispensable and you them on nearly every project

35 replies

Participant
April 15, 2024

This bug has been around for well over a decade, and is still present in 2024 release. Its BS like this that makes me contemplate leaving Adobe entirely.

Participant
January 14, 2020

thanks for this, but there's a major issue with this workaround.  When using Nenoiser (and a few others) on the audio channel in the audio mixer rather than on the clip, latency started to occur between the audio and video - even though the clips are linked.  

 

I tried to clear the cache and that seemed to fix the issue, so I put the Denoiser back on the audio mixer...

But then the latency between the audio and video happened again.  The audio is late...

 

I then cleared the cache yet again, removed the Denoiser from the audio mixer, but still, the audio is late.  But this time with 0 audio plugins.  I'm pretty upset, frankly.    

 

The Adobe folks really should have fixed this by now or removed the plugin....I'm reading it's been an issue for several years, going back to 2012, if not before.

 

I'm running Premiere Pro CC 2019 on a 2019 MacBook Pro 2.3 Ghz Intel Core i9 with 16 gigs of RAM.  

Participant
July 5, 2019

Thank you!!

kibblz.1723257
Participant
April 1, 2019

2019. The problem is still around.

I cannot believe how far back this has been an issue. Anyway, I can't really get a good fix on this but I've noticed from all my testing there needs to be some talking or audio noises for the first few seconds for the denoise to take affect. No matter what you say or what sounds come in the first second, it's gonna have that weird noise where it works its way into affect. I dunno what to do. This is ridiculous .. one small thing is causing me so much problems. I refuse to do all those other work arounds people talking about export to audition and then back into premiere, screw that.

I wish they would just fix this though.

*UPDATE/SOLUTION*

I have spent a whole day fixing this. It just doesn't work no matter what you do. The DeNoise effect is designed to only kick in when it has some sound before your actual video starts. Basically, I just talk jibberish in my recording for a few seconds and then properly start my video/talking. This lets me set the effect in premiere, the start of your voice or audio whatever will sound off and then you'll hear denoise start to work. But the jibberish at the first few seconds is what you want to cut out and boom... you have yourself a denoised track. That's just how it works, it needs audio to start the effect. Unfortunately if you cut that first few seconds the denoise then restarts itself and it will do the same thing to the new part you just cut which is where you really want your video to begin... I have 2 methods. I probably prefer Method 2 because once you've done it it's done and when you finally export from Premiere the video is complete. Method 1 requires messing about after it's exported but only takes like 1 minute or less. And it's free.

This is for Adobe Premiere (MP4 videos)

Method 1 (Adobe Premiere + MPEG Streamclip):

This free little beauty has been good to me. Anyway, with this little program you want to do all your stuff in premiere as normal. Add the denoise whatever and do everything you normally do only this time at the start of your video try to go back a bit by dragging the video and audio, maybe 10-20 seconds? Make sure the audio has noise/talking whatever, so denoise effect picks it up to work with. When your real video starts you make a cut there with the audio and video both cut at the same place. This is where your video would begin. The jibberish 10 seconds or whatever stuff before that is what you need for this to work. You need to export your video as you normally do.

Once it's done you load the video in MPEG Streamclip and seek a bit to where your video just starts out. I use a fader in premiere so I just go to the black screen before my video starts. I select the video from there (the letter I on keyboard for Select IN (this will select the whole video) then just Control S or File > Save As. Boom, the video literally takes like 10 seconds to save or more. No encoding done. The video is untouched... thats why this program is so good.

Method 2 (Adobe Premiere + Adobe Audition)

You'll need Adobe Audition for this obviously. Same as above... you want voice/sound before where you want your video to start. That is key... you NEED some sound/voice for the denoise to work properly on where your actual video starts. This method just do the same as above and then if you have Audition you need to go to Edit > Edit in Adobe Audition > Sequence. Leave everything the same except change Video: None. Audio Clip Effects and Audio Track Effects can be set to Transfer Settings or Remove All if you add denoise in Audition instead. It will open your audio tracks in Audition. It's not that hard to learn. I figured it out in 5 mins. When it opens, you'll see your audio in the middle. Make sure you delete all the other tracks that you don't want denoised. This is going to denoise your whole track and save it without the cuts. It will just be one long track (don't worry the cut effects/transitions/fades are all there). Go to the Mixer tab above the audio track and you will see your effects if you added them in Premiere. Disable them all except denoise. You can also add denoise here just like premiere. It's all the same. Play your audio a bit just to make the magic work. Then go to Multitrack > Export to Adobe Premiere > Export. It will go straight back into Premiere asking which track you wanna add it to (probably just go with new or a track thats empty) then you have yourself a new audio track with denoise. Now you just replace it with the original (I just delete original then move the new one up to the spot. Its all synced the same dont worry.) Now all you need to do is just cut the jibberish part out and you have your video begin where you want. The denoise will now be all there even if sound is at 1 second thanks to the jibberish sounds at the start. Think of Audition as permanantly denoising your whole track no matter where you cut it will stay denoised.

Done. Thanks. *wipes forehead*

Participating Frequently
August 30, 2018

Hey Guys,

I have been having an audio export problem. I am shooting on a Panasonic GH5 at 29.376 fps with an external tascam 70d audio recorder.

As I edit my interviews for my client I am able to playback the audio in premiere pro, but when i export my file and try to post on Fb or IG I am left with this hissss sound all the way through instead of the talking head audio. Can someone please advise on this situation, this has been giving me hell for a week and half now. =|

I have tried multiple sequence settings as well as export settings, as well as running it through the media encoder. Things like this sometimes makes me want to switch back to final cut pro =(.

Are there any specific settings that you use that you think i should try.

nickjmcclure
Participant
November 6, 2018

Hey, I hope this isn't way too late to help. As of time of posting, this issue still hasn't been resolved to my knowledge. Honestly, I've given up on the matter. I bought the Waves NS1 and have been very happy with it. It has fewer adjustable parameters, but it does well for the price.

nickjmcclure
Participant
July 29, 2018

We've now made it to 2018 and the same problem exists. I don't have the option of exporting to Audition and, IMHO, shouldn't have to. It seems like the issue is hit or miss - sometimes it haooens and sometimes it doesn't, whether or not I use the workarounds previously mentioned. So I guess this comment is less of a request for help from the community and more of a documentation that Adobe still has work to do on this.

shady1080
Participant
July 25, 2017

This has to be a joke, right? I just stumbled upon this issue with the Adapter Noise Reduction. Also when I use Audition. How are people dealing with this? These are absolute basics for every videographer. How should we handle this??

Participant
May 8, 2017

The was just a new release, it included a new way to work with your audio, select if something is voice, fx, music etc.......................and still doesn't work. same 2 second problem exists.

Participant
May 12, 2017

Same here with newest Version ---when will you fix this???

tolsaduss
Participant
February 12, 2017

Still with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQgSTt3SkMo and every work around, I'm having the issue.

Adobe, please fix, it's now 2017.

Workaround if you stuck and want a 100% method

- Add around 10 sec of whatever music/sound that you merge with what you wanna denoise

- Apply denoiser

- Render and apply

- Cut the first 10 seconds (that now include the 2 second delay...)- Enjoy

Adobe, really, please fix.

yairb999
Inspiring
February 12, 2017

That workaround is not supposed to work because on export PP will render it without the 10 seconds, unless you use smart rendering which avoids rendering on export.

Isn't it?

tolsaduss
Participant
February 12, 2017

Maybe I didn't express myself properly...

[10 second useless audio clip] + [ the audio you want to denoise]

- Merge both together, and denoise the new giant clip (made of 10 useless stuff at the beginning, and the real audio I want to denoise)

- Render and replace

- Crop the 10 first second that are useless

And voila ! Still, that require to get like a dummy sound clip to absorb the 2/3 second of hiss that everyone is complaining about.

toddm79519360
Participant
December 6, 2016

I tried all of the posted fixes and this gentleman has the best resolve for me. Track Based Denoising in Premier Pro CC (rather than clip based) - YouTube

Known Participant
December 6, 2016

I just posted that even if you use the track mixer

and you apply the effect to the track

you´ll have that noise at the beginning of the track

AND

if you are tweeking the volume of the clips

you´ll get another noise in the beginning of that individual clips.

(even if denoise effect is on track).