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Stan Jones
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March 30, 2021
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FAQ: Workaround: Nesting to Apply Effect Controls to Caption Track

  • March 30, 2021
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Updated 3/14/24.

"Upgrade Caption to Graphic," was introduced with PR 23.1 - Dec 2022. This is a huge advance. See:
https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/working-with-captions.html


This changes one or more captions to regular graphics text on a video track. There they can be moved anywhere on the screen or animated.

 

When upgraded, the captions are removed from the caption track, so if you need to export srt or similar, duplicate that caption track before converting.

 

Instead of positioning each item separately, you can select all the new graphics items in the video track, right-click and “nest,” then set the position of that nest.

 

Original post:

Kudos and Credit to @shandries who corrected me when I said this could not be done.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/premiere-v15-captions-can-t-be-positioned-low-enough/m-p/11928353#M337822

 

While I rarely use these methods, some users consider the absence of the options discussed here deal breakers. Adobe may, or may not, choose to add some of the features discussed. In the meantime, here is a workaround. The new Caption Track is not a Video track, and you cannot apply Effect Controls to captions (e.g. position, opacity). But nesting the Caption Track in another sequence allows use of Effect Controls, as was possible prior to PR 2021.

 

General Procedure:

Turn off visibility on all non-caption tracks in a sequence with captions. Then nest the sequence. The nest is now a video track, and you can apply Effect Controls to move the captions closer to the frame edge, animate the captions, and fade them in and out. Only the ACTIVE track of captions will show. You can nest multiple caption sequences to see more than one track.

 

Note that in export, the Captions tab shows no options, since there is, in fact, no “Captions Track” in the sequence being exported. The captions do burn in.

 

Sequence 1: a Caption Track and a Video Track. The video track will be turned off before nesting. The video track can be a nest of the main edit sequence. The video track is only needed in order to have video and audio for timing captions and to define the sequence length. More than one caption track can be included, but ONLY the Active Caption Track will show in the nest.

 

Sequence 2: (After listing this out, I realized that this step is optional. Sequence 1 can be nested in the production edit sequence. Sequence 2 as its own sequence might be useful for using the render status bar for locating individual captions. See Fade Each Caption In/Out below.) A nest of Sequence 1. Only the active Caption Track as set in Sequence 1 will show. Effect Controls are applied here. If the video track from Sequence 1 is not turned off, it will also be affected by the Effect Controls.

 

Sequence 3: Nest Sequence 1 (or 2 if used) in the actual production edit sequence. Multiple nested caption sequences can be added.

 

Specific Uses include adjusting track position beyond those allowed for captions, fading the beginning, ending, or every caption in/out, animating on or more caption position, and, perhaps most importantly, showing multiple caption tracks in one sequence.

 

To Adjust Caption Track Position
In Sequence 3 (or 2 if used), select the nested caption sequence clip in the timeline. In Effect Controls -> Video -> Position, increase the y value to move the captions down, for example, to the very bottom of the frame. Or reduce the x value to move the captions to very left edge. Note that this applies the effect to the entire Caption Track unless keyframing is used. (See Animate Captions below.)

 

Simple Fade In at Beginning of Sequence/Fade Out at end
Find the first caption in the timeline. Advance to the point where you want the caption at 100% opacity. In the Effect Controls, set a key frame. Move to the beginning of the caption and set the opacity to zero. This should set the second key frame. To set end fade out, find the end of the last caption. Back up the desired amount, set key frame. Move to end of caption and set opacity to zero.

 

Fade Each Caption In/ Out
In my set up with CUDA on, I can see each caption as yellow in the render status bar. If I change to software only, it is all red. This might require setting markers for the beginning and end of each marker. If so, in Sequence 1, with only the active Caption Track targeted (e.g. only, for example, C1 selected, no other caption track, and no video or audio tracks), use the up/down arrows and the M keyboard shortcut to add markers. Then in Sequence 2, set opacity keyframes to the markers. If applying to actual clips in a timeline, we could use some copy/paste. Is there any way to make this easier?

 

Animate Captions
Similarly, you can keyframe position to move individual captions as you wish.

 

Show Multiple Caption Tracks
As noted above, just add multiple nested Caption Tracks to the final sequence. Only the active Caption Track from each nest will show. Each track can be positioned in its original sequence, within the limits of the caption positioning options, or Effect Controls can be applied in Sequence 3 (or 2 if used).

 

Stan

Correct answer Stan Jones

@Randune23,

 

For animated, burned-in captions, this thread's information is just too dated. The nesting method would be painful, and still very limited.

 

"Upgrade caption to graphic" allows you to use regular video track animation.

 

The extensions/plugins are relatively inexpensive.

 

See my review of the feature requests for this, with a couple of other update posts that mention a couple plug-in options:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/request-for-enhanced-animated-caption-options-and-ai-features-in-premiere-pro/idc-p/15057266#M18423

 

Stan

 

 

 

10 replies

Randune23
Inspiring
November 4, 2025

For instance, I want to create a karaoke lyrics track where the lyrics fade in and out as the person is supposed to be singing them.  I tried you way with all video tracks hidden, selected both of my caption tracks, nested them, and the captions disappeared from the caption track.  I then dragged my nested "Captions" nest onto the sequence and there are no captions to be seen.

This seems like a long way to go about being able to fade captions in and out and it still doesn't seem to be working (I'm running PR 2025).

 

I'm going to have to try to read and decipher your post when I'm not so tired of trying to find a simple answer to an apparently impossible issue with PR.

 

 

 

Randy

Stan Jones
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November 4, 2025

@Randune23,

 

For animated, burned-in captions, this thread's information is just too dated. The nesting method would be painful, and still very limited.

 

"Upgrade caption to graphic" allows you to use regular video track animation.

 

The extensions/plugins are relatively inexpensive.

 

See my review of the feature requests for this, with a couple of other update posts that mention a couple plug-in options:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/request-for-enhanced-animated-caption-options-and-ai-features-in-premiere-pro/idc-p/15057266#M18423

 

Stan

 

 

 

Randune23
Inspiring
March 15, 2024

This post would have been so much better if you provided pictures of what you actually mean.  Or heck, maybe a tutorial video would have been soooooo much better.

 

Randy

Stan Jones
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March 15, 2024

> This post would have been so much better if you provided pictures of what you actually mean. Or heck, maybe a tutorial video would have been soooooo much better.

 

Totally!

 

Stan

Participant
December 17, 2022

Brilliant workaround, thanks for sharing. But it is wildly frustrating that this is necessary. I also wonder how this fix could be used when exported .srts are necessary. 

Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
January 20, 2022

Hi Community,

Here's are 2 similar feature request we can upvote:


Edit: this one has even more upvotes, and it's from Japan:

 

This will let the product team know about a feature you need, the ability. If that feature request isn't quite right, feel free to create a new feature request over on User Voice.

 

Thanks,
Kevin

 

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio
R Neil Haugen
Legend
January 20, 2022

Happy to upvote that ... I always want more user controls & options!

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
January 20, 2022

Cheers, Neil. That one was the strongest one I could find. Let me know if you find one that might work better.

 

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio
Participating Frequently
October 18, 2021

Thanks to the comments here and below,
here's a solution to adding&enabling multiple subtitles to the video:


https://youtu.be/ImcWwcrmGd8

Participant
September 23, 2021

Hi there - I just wondered if there is an update to this issue. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I can't nest the captions track as recommended and neither can I install the subtitle2xml converter (I'm on a Windows PC running PP2021 15.4.1 (Build6). It feels frustrating not to be able to put simple fades at the beginning and ends of captions/subtitles without having to recreate each and every subtitle as a graphic. Most grateful for any assistance or pointers.

Many, many thanks in advance

Participant
September 23, 2021

Figured out how to nest the captions track - select all! Thanks anyways!

R Neil Haugen
Legend
August 6, 2021

Interesting alternative, Kevin ...

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
June 4, 2021

Hi Stan,

I like this method better: converting the .srt to xml. It's a lot faster and tidier. No giant bin full of text nests. Tell me what you think, Stan. I think: Hats off to pairofdice!

Unfortunately, this is a Windows only workaround. As far as I know, there is no obvious conversion tool for macOS. I'm searching that out right now. If not, I'll make my own conversion tool (with some help!). Kidding (not kidding)! 🙂 For what it's worth, I tried the free conversion website, but the two flavors of XML offered do not import into Premiere Pro on macOS - unfortunately.

Regards.
Kevin

 

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio
Participant
August 6, 2021

This doesnt work for me, when drag the xml file to the video track it makes a new captions track, any fixes? i followed the intrustions on the video exactly.

Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
August 6, 2021

EZ,
It's a workaround. It should work. Are you on PC? Did you create the XML with the same tool? Use the same settings? 

 

Let us know.

Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio
Giovanni Feltrin
Participant
June 2, 2021

You saver me dude, thanks!
Yery nice "hack" to overcome our loved Premiere.
I think i found a method even faster: you use the text tool, click anywere to create an empty text, and you select that and the captions and nest. If you enter the nested sequence you can even edit the captions.

Stan Jones
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 31, 2021

For anyone using the transcription option - which is not yet available to all users. Nesting a sequence with captions created by the transcription option hangs PR. So, "don't do that" until it is fixed.

 

Stan

 

Stan Jones
Community Expert
Community Expert
August 6, 2021

Update re "For anyone using the transcription option - which is not yet available to all users. Nesting a sequence with captions created by the transcription option hangs PR. So, "don't do that" until it is fixed."

 

I did not retest this until now - Release version 15.4. Works fine; problem fixed at some point.

 

Stan