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Option to change speaker name gone in 23.4?

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May 21, 2023
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Since updating top 23.4 ,when I make a transcript now from and active timeline I no longer have the three little dots near the speakers name which allowed me to change the speakers name. Now when I hover over "unknow" as the speaker name a little pop-up apperas that says "to edit speakers name make changes in the source transcript". What does this mean and how do I do it?

Why do they make changes that do not need to be made with every update?

Darrell

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Correct answer Stan Jones

Darrell,

Yes, the addition of Text-based editing has produced some changes. But in this case, they will be worth the adjustment.

There are now 2 types of transcripts: Source media and Static (sequence). If you manually or through the auto-transcribe create a transcript for a Source media file (i.e. a clip, whether in a sequence or not), you can open that clip in the Source Monitor, and when you immediately switch to the Transcript, you can edit speaker names.

If you add that clip to a sequence, and have the timeline/Program Monitor view active, and go to the Transcript tab and try to edit the speaker name, you get the error message you saw. Just double click the clip (to open in the Source Monitor), and you can edit the speaker name in the transcript.

If you select the timeline/Program Monitor, and click the 3 dots in the Transcript tab, you can pick "Generate Static Transcript." This is the "old" style transcript. For this one, you can edit the speaker names when the timeline/Program Monitor is active.

Stan

benm17847638

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The 'Correct' answer here did not solve the problem for me, but after some searching around, I found this little icon, which added the elipses back to the speaker names •••Speaker 1

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Matthew2393981338ox

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Thanks for this post...just came here after struggling with the 'new' workflow...I found the older one easier..I think what has happened is it has "auto transcribed" all my original audio clips..but now that makes it very difficult to edit the speaker names...as I have to go out of my main editing timeline..over to the source clip...and then have no visuals to go along with it..as I'm using synced secondary sound....only audio. So it sounds like what I need to do is not "turn on Auto transcribe"..as that will cause problems, if I like to simply edit the speakers and text on the timeline the old way? But then I can see that seems to get rid of other features such as text editing? Much to learn! Thanks.

Stan Jones

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Matthew,

Sorry I missed this post in February. Yes, that is the dilemma. You can get the "old" behavior - speaker editing always available etc, by turning off auto-transcription of source media, never using it, and transcribing only sequences - but then you have only static, unchanging transcripts and cannot use the text-editing features.

Stan

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Pixelsmyth

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I've been tinkering with it and it seems the old version had a way to mixdown when you transcribe, which was a lot more useful (in my opinion) than transcribing every single audio file or selecting individual files. The issue I'm running into is that when multiple subjects are mic'd and recording on seperate tracks, editing speaker names becomes tedious and messy as premiere now has to be able to identify uniques speakers on each individual track and since it's just some toddler AI the results are varied to say the least and creates more knots to unravel than it actually provides something useful in the edit. That's my two cents. I prefer the trasnscripts being made from a mixdown of all audio you want to be referenced, attached to a sequence as metadata so that the transcript carries over when a sequence is duplicated, and IDEALLY, the next functionality would be that as I edit that sequence, it edits the transcript for that sequence (as in, deletes audio I don't want to use). I see why transcribing each clip might be valuable if that is metadata that carries into each instance of the clips in other sequences, but it's honestly kind of over thinking the actual way a human edits.

Stan Jones

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@Pixelsmyth,

Welcome to the often complex world of the new Text-based editing!

Yes, the new text-editing workflow has challenges for multitrack audio. See this feature request for some of the issues and workarounds:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/audio-track-selection-for-source-media-transcription/idi-p/13828019

Two options for you to consider:

Ignore the new methods (create no source media transcripts) and just create static transcripts of sequences. Downside: the transcripts don't adjust to edits. (Captions will.)

Use the workaround #2 in the above link. You can transcribe your sequence using mix, speakers should track the different speakers/tracks, and by nesting that sequence it will adjust to edits.

Let us know how it goes. It is hard to anticipate how this works for the many possible workflows.

@Kerstin Ebert @Alexander_DVA

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Dan28390259fwqy

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I'm now having a similar issue with attempts to change the speaker names. After transcribing the source audio, I am able to see the transcription when I bring the audio into a timeline, but I am unable to see any transcript when looking at the audio in the source monitor. I've attached a screengrab showing the transcribed audio in the source monitor, and it says "No dialogue found" in the Text window. I closed out of any sequences because then the transcript will populate, but I still will not be able to change the speaker names without going to the source.

I closed/opened the program and Re-Transcribed the source audio to see if that would fix the issue but it does not.

Version 23.6.0 Beat Build 13

Apple M1 Ultra Studio, Ventura 13.3

Stan Jones

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Dan,

You have deselected "Follow active monitor" and are in the sequence view. Click on the Source Monitor view. Note that the source media transcription will only transcribe audio track 1 (by design in the current implementation) - but it may process all the tracks (I think that should be considered a bug).

If your dialogue is not in track 1, see the workarounds in this feature request:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/audio-track-selection-for-source-media-transcription/idi-p/13828019

FYI, I prefer keeping "Follow active monitor" on, because then I can pick what I want (source or sequence), then just switch to the transcribe tab.

Stan

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Dan28390259fwqy

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Very helpful thank you. For anyone else looking for the "Follow active monitor" checkbox it's in the lower left hand corner of the Transcript window.

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Rachel-C

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So how do I "open that clip in the Source Monitor"?

Stan Jones

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Darrell,

Yes, the addition of Text-based editing has produced some changes. But in this case, they will be worth the adjustment.

There are now 2 types of transcripts: Source media and Static (sequence). If you manually or through the auto-transcribe create a transcript for a Source media file (i.e. a clip, whether in a sequence or not), you can open that clip in the Source Monitor, and when you immediately switch to the Transcript, you can edit speaker names.

If you add that clip to a sequence, and have the timeline/Program Monitor view active, and go to the Transcript tab and try to edit the speaker name, you get the error message you saw. Just double click the clip (to open in the Source Monitor), and you can edit the speaker name in the transcript.

If you select the timeline/Program Monitor, and click the 3 dots in the Transcript tab, you can pick "Generate Static Transcript." This is the "old" style transcript. For this one, you can edit the speaker names when the timeline/Program Monitor is active.

Stan

10Eighteen MediaAuthor

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Stan,

Thank you so much! It was driving me nuts. I never thought that "source transcript" meant the actual source audio file used to make the transcript, I was looking for a text file somewhere. I am very excited about the new text editing features. We do a lot of talking head interview work, it was great when we were able to easily send clients the transcripts, but now to be able to use them to edit down the interviews will really speed up our workflow!

Thank you so much for your quick response.

Darrell

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