PP 23.5 update changes my fonts in essential graphics

thanks Doug for the updates

Hi. A proposed fix for this is now available in Beta 24.1, released today.

Please let me know if this addresses the issue which you have reported.

Douglas Waterfall

After Effects Engineering

A short explanation as to what has happened here.

First of all, it was my code changes to After Effects released in 23.5 which introduced this error in the mogrt workflow in PPro.

I had noticed same/similar issues during the AE development and provided a solution there, but due to subtle difference between how missing/substituted Fonts are handled for mogrts in PPro and AE I did not notice the issue in PPro and none of the testers did as well. Like most things, it seem super obvious now.

A number of major changes to Font handling in AE were released in 23.5 and the one which triggered this problem involves a tightening up of what AE considers to be a valid matching Font when opening up the Project (including a mogrt in PPro).

For each Font reference in a Project a number of bits of information are stored in addition to the PostScript name. When looking for a candidate matching Font on the disk we now require that all these bits of information match or else we will treat the reference as a missing/substituted Font. The motivation for this was to deal with crashes triggered by some Variable Fonts and it still is a good change.

In a typical case there might be no exact matching Font on disk and so we will look to Adobe Fonts to sync down the Font. If it is found there, once the synced Font is downloaded we will only require that the PostScript name match to replace the substitute. All that happens in the background and asynchronously and you may not be aware of the steps that are happening.

The key point here is that matching a synced Font is less stringent than the exact matching rule used on Project open. Now, it may be that the Adobe Font was the Font used to create the Project - but if it is not then you are actually using a different Font than the original Project/mogrt creator used. Those difference can show up in subtle composition changes.

Anyway, there is an additional case here which is the cause of the reported problem. What if there was already installed on the disk a Font which, though not an exact match, happens to match by PostScript name just like an Adobe Font might? In After Effects, we recognize this latter situation and replace the substitute.

In PPro it does not, which is why it still shows up as a missing Font in the dialog. Further, in PPro the Replace Font dialog only pertains to Font references within PPro itself, and not within mogrts which are being used by PPro, which explains why when you try to replace the Font PPro says "no missing fonts here".

Until this is fixed, your only workaround at the moment is to find the exact original Font which was used by the mogrt - determining this requires some technical understanding of Fonts and some recently released Font Scripting support in AE Beta would be helpful in determining this.

I regret that this was not caught earlier, but I will be working on a solution to teach PPro to do what After Effects does.

Douglas Waterfall

After Effects Engineering

Unfortunately, it did not.

Hello! I have seen that a new version of Premiere pro has come out, would you know if the error with the fonts and the essential graphics has been solved in the latter? Thank you!

We are tracking this with an internal bug report against PrPro, but it is actually a cross-application problem with Ae mogrts being used without Dynamic Link in PrPro. So there is a lot to unravel but we are working on it. I'll update here when I have more specific info about a forthcoming fix.

Just dropping in to let you know that multiple colleagues and me are also facing these issues. When dragging mogrts from a shared Adobe CC library into the timeline the fonts don't load correctly. Same goes for opening a project which was created in an earlier version of Premiere than 23.5! The fonts get replaced with some standard Adobe fonts instead which messes the branding of our videos up.

After reverting to 23.4 everything worked perfectly fine again. Unfortunately I have to deal with that text-based-editing bug when relinking full resolution material againd 😞

I am gratefule... Thank you sooo much James

@JM VOA I got the mogrt you sent me and was able to repro a problem myself. I am working with the mogrts team to try to find out what is happening.

Adobe engineer, kindly to rush this matter/ help request, as people job is on the line. Thanks for your understanding.