Premiere Pro CC 2017.1 - Titles workspace and tool

The EGP comes at graphics in a totally different way than the old Titler ... so there's a big problem as the concept of how things are done doesn't have squat to do with the old way, and it takes a few minutes reading and or watching tutorials to start to see how this works.

After you get a bit of the idea, it's finally got some things to it that are quite useful and getting to be past what could be done with the titler. The version in 2017 was sort of a 0.8, and this in 2018 the 1.0 version. You can "protect" your intro/outro animations so that changing the length of the graphic doesn't change the timing of the animations, pin different text & shape objects together for placement/movement, things like that.

I note you've got just a floating panel ... I really recommend using the EGP workspace itself. The EGP is on the right side of things, that's where you select or add layers/objects, and can set your text options and save things as master text styles and such.

Most animations are handled in the ECP on the left side ... where all other sequence animations are also keyframed. So that is actually a logical placement of animation within this new layout.

There are a number of things you can do to create, import, and modify text and graphic shapes in the PrPro EGP. Using AfterEffects, there are a lot more things that can be animated or modified, and when saved as mogrts, imported into PrPro projects with as many of those options available for modification in PrPro by the editor as the Ae person puts in the box for those.

Where this is going is way past what could have been done in the old Titler. Yea, it's weirdly different at first. And yea, it takes some learning and practice to get it down. And ... yes, there are some things that are not quite doable there yet, though by the time you take Ae into account, not much. There are things that weren't easy to do in the old Titler also.

I understand the frustration of having a huge change in workflow "thrown" at you. It's easy to just do as we've done with that muscle memory moving things fast. However, this is a major step forward in a number of ways, and ... I've seen several others that have essentially said they'd rather slow down their work for a month or two to get up to speed in a different NLE than spend a day or two getting up to speed using the EGP.

That ... puzzles me. But of course, everyone's mileage also varies.

Neil

I presume you really meant to respond to a post by jstrawn or one of the other actual staffers the way your post is worded. I'm not a  staffer, but I can reply to some of your post.

As I've noted before, I think the slight relegation of the "Legacy Titler" by changing the way it is "found" in the app wasn't ... optimal, shall we say, to be polite. Wouldn't have been my choice, but at least it is still (mostly) there.

And why do you imagine that someone would want to leave the editing workspace in order to add text or titles to a video?

Well, there are workspaces for color, sound, assembly, effects ... why would titles/graphics necessarily be any different?

Do your UI designers ever actually watch people use your tools to see how they work?

Having met several of the engineers at NAB/Vegas, they tend to be people who do editing and video post professionally themselves. Outside of their work for Adobe PrPro. So they have their own experiences of their careers and the post-houses they've worked in prior to working for Adobe to draw from.

That said, it's been fascinating for me to meet others at NAB and via forums, to find how truly diverse the experiences, needs, and expectations of those using pro-level NLE's are. Just take the use of hover-pop-up "tool tips" in a UI, for example. There are those who passionately argue for those to help especially with new features/tools. And others who passionately argue that hover-tips have no business whatever EVER appearing in a "pro" app's UI. I've been a participant or spectator in arguments over every feature of  PrPro ... with everyone involved having a very different concept of what should "obviously" be done. I've learned that no matter what seems obvious or  useful to me, is not necessarily obvious, useful, or even welcomed by other users.

This has got to be one of the silliest UI innovations I've ever seen.

It was a maddening one for me at first ... "silly" wouldn't have been my descriptor term.

However ... seeing the demos at NAB about both what can be done with it when you learn the way it's been thought out, how it really works ... and also, the explanations of what this will allow as it's fleshed out more in future releases ... in all, it's a brilliant new asset with the program. Very confusing compared with previous methods, surely. And not well documented, most assuredly! Besides currently limited in scope.

I do know of some using this heavily already, especially starting with mogrt's from AE ... and there's much of it that is really wild at what it can do. Right up until ... um ... they can't do what seems the next logical and needed step ... yet.

Patience has never been a virtue those who know me would ascribe as a general descriptor of my personality. Ahem. So, I am ... eager ... for further releases to clean up what is currently a somewhat useful and highly promising tool.

Neil

I reported the same glaring problem:

"5. The titles you create do not appear as assets in your bin, and there's no other tab in the bin area on which they appear. How am I supposed to keep track of all my project elements, when some of them are simply invisible and floating in the great beyond?"

As far as I can tell, there has been no explanation of why the titles are missing from the bin.

jstrawn, posting right above you, is one of the designers. Posting here on his own time, and has been very helpful.

And from the beginning, they've noted the EGP is a work in process, but that 1) it had enough capability to be useful for some things as far as it had been developed (and yes, it has) ... though many things that it will need are not ready for release yet. And 2), the reason for releasing it as it is was specifically to get user input on the way it functions (which is a very different model than the old one) and what features it needs to fit the wider base.

And of course, the "legacy" titler is still available ... one of the most reviled parts of PrPro, until they released a partial successor, of course ... then suddenly it's the revered old  titler.

Frustrating as the EGP was for me at first, I've learned how to make some use of it ... and seen enough at NAB and via the web to understand the capabilities they're trying to bring into PrPro, something rather more capable of total graphics work than the old titler.

And I've had some good laughs at some of the reactions. James will correct me for any miss-statements of course.

Neil

Feel very free to post more, both more ideas, and more details on those ideas. This is a good thread, and with James participating,  very useful as far as communicating "our" ideas direct to the development team.

Neil

There are a couple FAQ's on the EGP and workspaces and such available on the FAQ page from the Overview page of this forum. Included is a bit on dealing with this. Yea, that Title menu bar at times isn't working and takes a couple steps to restore it.

For myself, I created a custom workspace with the old "legacy" titler, and another one with the EGP, both laid out like I like to work for titles/graphics. Named, saved, and added to the Workspace bar.

Neil

"Thankfully Adobe has had the very un-Adobe-like foresight to actually include the old Title Tool in the newer update so we can choose which one we want."

Actually, this is pretty standard in PrPro ... look at all the "legacy" tools for color/tonality and for sound that are still there, but in a way that lets the user know they have a limited life-span.

As with a number of parts of PrPro, the reaction from one computer to another amazes me. I've not had any performance hit from running the EGP, though when I lay on 3-5 Lumetri instances per clip, I sure do. I haven't really poured on the 'coals' within EGP to see what it does with the kitchen sink thrown in, though. But clearly, for some rigs, the EGP can hit performance.

Some of the demos of using the EGP I've seen were rather stunning in how much could be done with very few clicks ... for ​certain​ things, and if you know ​exactly​ what to do and how ​best​ to do it, it's amazingly capable & fast. If not ... um ... you may not even get there from here.

I'm looking forward to having this a couple releases down the line. It needs a wider set of tools, and ... I need to be better at using it. Both are gonna be farther away than tomorrow. Now, patience hath never been a virtue that is native to my cranium ... sigh.

Neil