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February 22, 2009
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My top ten criteria for the new forums

  • February 22, 2009
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This is my view on what the new forums should provide. This is what I'll personally be measuring the new forums against when we have a fully testable beta version.

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1 - The new forums should encourage the participation of new members, both to feel encouraged to seek help in the first place, but also to stay and become long-term contributing members of the online community here.

2 - The new forums should alienate the existing users as little as possible, as there's no point in having questions with no answers - though equally there's no point in having answers with no questions. A tricky balance to strike.

3 - Response of the forums should be no worse, and hopefully better, than typical performance here in recent months. If that means beefing up the hardware to accommodate the demands of more graphic-intensive software, so be it.

4 - The forums should look not unlike the majority of typical modern internet forums. This will not be favoured by those familiar with the sparse appearance of the present forums, but incoming new members expect to see something that looks more contemporary and familiar in style, even if there's a modest performance cost.

5 - They should function not unlike the majority of modern internet forums, in terms of the user interface and usable features. If you've got your first problem with Adobe software and you arrive in the Adobe forums for the first time, you don't want then to be confronted with something that looks like another problem and which takes time and effort to understand. The learning curve should be absolutely minimal. There should be a very low turn-away rate (potential users taking one look and backing off before participating or even complaining).

6 - The search function should be state of the art. If you have a good manual for the product software, a good user interface for it, and a good search engine for the knowledgebase and forums, the number of questions needing to be asked should be significantly lower.

7 - To support the regular participants it should be possible to list the discussions which have unread posts in any given member's selected forums, and within those discussions it should be possible to go directly to the unread content without scrolling around to find it. It should then be possible to go to the next unread post in the next unread discussion without first going backwards to the overall list.

8 - NNTP access, though a mystery to me, seems highly valued by some, and providing it does not seem to mess with what the rest of us see (setting aside the quoting problem), so let's have it.

9 - An effective mechanism to enforce the forum rules by restricting access by individuals who persistently break the rules should be provided - and there should be no simple way round it. Failing that, provision of an inbuilt method for users to ignore posts by other specified users is necessary.

10 - There should be a properly functioning list of banned words.

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That's my top ten list of criteria - though in five minutes I'll probably think of some key stuff I have left out.

What's yours?
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    pbear*
    Known Participant
    March 19, 2009
    Formatted Text (editing as HTML), but HTML (== the HTML widget) gives you more control (for me: inline CSS).
    March 19, 2009
    Well, I can see you've done it, but I'm still unable to see how. What widget (I hate that word) did you use?
    pbear*
    Known Participant
    March 19, 2009
    I've had bookmarks for different forums. However with a personalized page I could organize the four forums I want to keep tabs on, and the other 10 worth an occasional viewing.

    Plus features I might use all close to that same space: Discussions (I've started), History, Private Messages.

    This is one bookmark instead of 14. Works for me.
    March 19, 2009
    > Do people really go to the forum home page every time to hunt for a forum?

    no never.
    Curt Wrigley
    Inspiring
    March 18, 2009
    Isnt it a lot easier to just use browser bookmarks? Do people really go to the forum home page every time to hunt for a forum? After the first time, I never see it again.
    pbear*
    Known Participant
    March 18, 2009
    > It seems only possible to make a set of the whole lot that way - have you found a way to make it a chosen set of a few?

    Kinda:





    Still faster than digging through the default page, or the non-alphabetical-ish forums widget (rather literally "the whole widget").
    Nini Tjader
    Participating Frequently
    March 18, 2009
    Personally I actually don't care one bit how the forums look, and less about avatars, numbers of post published and such things, as I never login but to answer to something and never read a thread in the forum form if I can avoid it.

    The simpler and more effective the graphical form the better.

    As long as it is possible to still subscribe to digests and single messages from a forum in email-form and to answer simply by clicking a link in same digest or email and get directly to the post in the forum, then I am happy.

    If the possibility to subscribe to emailed digests or single email messages disappears I will no longer participate in any of these forums because then they totally lose their effectiveness as I see it.

    So I certainly hope that possibility won't disappear.

    It would also be good if it actually would be possible to find something when you search for it. I know I almost never do, despite being a seasoned user and formparticipant.
    March 18, 2009
    > I see I can make a set of my own links on a personal page, so I guess that's that.

    It seems only possible to make a set of the whole lot that way - have you found a way to make it a chosen set of a few?
    pbear*
    Known Participant
    March 18, 2009
    b on message width

    I don't mind sidebars for avatar and navigation, but I'd like either full browser width (fluid title/message part) or ability to specify a width. This is not about the size of the text, but about how much fits on the screen. Messages that are mailed in may still be force-wrapped, but I'm guessing a lot of messages won't be. It also helps severely threaded messages as may occur. I don't get to view the lovely grayscale CS3 artwork in the background, but
    i c'est la vie.

    b for user-defined styles

    I can use the Stylish extension for Firefox to take care of general formatting... so long as the forum code has a consistent structure (webx makes validators cry). I'd rather not have to hack the table width by this means.
    i If I'd found this earlier I might have worked out some styling for the current forums. Guess that time is past now...

    b on the PDF download

    I like this idea, however, with some modifications:
    PDF download to be pure text, black and white. No avatars.
    * Pictures within the message body are ok (presuming here they add something to the discussion).
    * Title is way too big. For 12pt text, maybe 14/16pt bold with a 2pt rule underneath would be sufficient for the title.
    * It also needs a rule between each post (0.5-1pt) -- right now avatars do it, but very poorly.
    * I'd love some other styling for clickable links in the text than coloring it blue (e.g. dashed underline).
    * If you're going to have links, why not a link to the original article along with the title? Perhaps the URL in small (9-10pt) type just beneath it? Long titles should also be printed in their entirety taking more than one line if necessary.

    b navigation issue

    I did want to select which forums I see on the All Content view (all hidden in sections on the index page is painful, as is having to see every Adobe product), but I see I can make a set of my own links on a personal page, so I guess that's that.

    i edit: formatting
    March 17, 2009
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