Please!!! More organization of Forum Topics.

Oh, one more little feature. As much as I like getting an email when there are new post on my subscribed forum, I really don't need an email telling when I've added a post.
b I already know!

Still on the flagging of read and unread. That just seems like the simplest part.

My 2¢: The bold might be appearing differently on different systems? What's obvious on one might be subtle on another.

If it were mine, I'd make the type a different colour and get on with it.

Now, let's hear more about a user influenced relational database. That would fun.

Curt Wrigley wrote:
> Can people really not see the bold subjects or the word "updated"?

Well, Curt, I have to ask: How old are YOUR eyes. Mine are 68 years and 9 months and YES the stupid blue 'updated' text is difficult to see and serves absolutely no purpose when it comes to determining where those updates begin and according to whose clock. No, the 'red flag' (which is/was a heck of a lot easier to see) didn't take me to where I needed to go but the forum code did.

So, cut us 'geezeers' some slack :)

>Full 'read tracking' is complex to implement, especially when there are a huge number of forum participants and a large number of different forums which could be visited by any given forum member.

not really.

memeber a goes to forums 1, 2, 4 and 7 regularly.

forum 1.
read thread 1 up to message 12.
read thread 4 up to message 3.

etc.

forum 2.
read thread 6 up to message 2.
read thread 17 up to message 13.

etc.

this kind of data can be extremely condensed and streamlined in a database.

>Imagine doing it manually.

well, that's why we have computers silly. :)

Of course, the real question is whether Jive is really up to the task at all, or should have been selected as the vendor by Adobe in the first place.

They seem to make promises for future versions of their software but can they deliver?

And if so, when?!

Full 'read tracking' is complex to implement, especially when there are a huge number of forum participants and a large number of different forums which could be visited by any given forum member.

Imagine doing it manually. Each time you read a thread, you'd need to note down the thread number and the post number you last read - and keep it forever. You'd need constantly to be keeping the information in number order to be able rapidly to access the data for each thread. Your list of threads would expand indefinitely.

Alternatively you'd need to keep a record associated with every thread, noting which member read it and which post they had last seen. So every read of a thread would generate another record, which again would have to be kept forever.

Just keeping a record of whether an individual had read a thread at all is simpler as you've then just got to keep track of the date and time that members visited the forum and the date and time that the thread was last changed.

The WebX 'read tracking' system is very good but apparently it does generate a lot of processing and database overhead to run.

The Jive software, as I understand it, simply does not currently have the underlying mechanism for WebX-style read tracking. Adobe cannot themselves do anything about that, apart from requesting its addition, which I would guess would not be a trivial task (and looking at Jive's own forums, and other sites using their forums, it's a frequent feature request already).

I agree a better search engine is a good idea.

But this is Adobe. So far the update to the forums looks about on par to when my Travian Clan updates it's forum.
I want to see something new and powerful and useful. Something worth 15 minutes at TED.
I like to see a relationship cloud, something with wiki powers, with ranked user based linkages. Something cool. Something that really works, for all users.

i What can I say I'm a dreamer.

As for search, they always have limits.
Currently I have the issue that both illustrator and photoshop post a crash report error after I quit the program (any help here would be appreciated). No other symptom - just I 'quit' and they crash. There could be ten discussions about that, but a forum search with the terms 'crash, error, quit, photoshop, illustrator' return about a third of all discussions on both the illustrator and photoshop forum. No search engine can really get around that.

>I can never find anything

I find tons of stuff.

Unfortunately anything I might be looking for is buried deep within a bunch of useless search results...

Rather than adding more folders I think the solution is an efficient search engine. The current Adobe search engine is worthless, I can never find anything. But if I type the same phrase into Google, I get relevant hits, in Adobe forums.

The new forum promises a better search engine, I hope it delivers. That way you can type in "CS3 and printing to an Epson 7800" and get hits that cover that subject only, and you don't care which folder it came from.

Wow, this has discussion has generated some traffic. Very nice!

So let's clear up: on the one front, users want to be able to easily tell what discussions contain unread content.
I can't imagine that's hard, or really need all that much discussion.
Adobe, make it so!

Now onto the more interesting (to me) stuff, organizing the discussions. I don't understand the defeatism more folders could never work, so we should just leave it.
Sorting conversations by the date they occurred going back to infinity is at best a default position.
Maybe my method is flawed and we need some much more advanced web 3.0 associative relational database idea.
My problem is that the longer these discussions exist (and I've been using them since, at latest, PS 5) the harder it is to find pertinent information. It just seems to be page after page of irrelevant discussions it's a signal to noise issue.

And this becomes a self exasperating problem; if a user can't find a previous discussion they start up a new one and add to the noise.

One thought on my hierarchical ideas, just because a discussion exists in one subcategory, does not mean that it can't exist in another!
I.e. in my previous example "CS3 and printing to an Epson 7800 (Mac OS10.5)" could be under:
i Technical Issues:Printing:Printer Setups
and
i Technical Issues:Hardware:Epson Printers

Again: thanks for all the interest in this!

N