Still no supervision in the French and Spanish forums?

That's the biggest problem I see too, John. It's going to be hard to have technical expertize for every program in every language. If there are enough people around, it might be possible to have some people willing to do some translating, but that's asking a lot also. I know some folks already are... and it's really appreciated, but I'd hate to have it become a burden to anyone.

I don't know the languages, but the new forum area DOES seem to have announcements in non-English languages

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b7c39d/

That does not, of course, mean that any new forums in any of those languages (if there ARE new forums) is going to be utilized by anyone

Not certain what you mean by "the other side" but if you are referring to the new forum stuff, um, ya, well... they are people that have been vetted by Adobe as being over the top contributors to the community on and off the forums. So they are invited to join the conversation and come over here, but are not already known to a few of the people... and those people choose to grind them into the dirt, without consideration. I'm not certain how you might expect them to respond. Given the circumstances, I give them a hell of a lot of credit for having thick enough skins to stay around and ride it out. I can pretty much guarantee, tho, that they are just as active, and just as well known and regarded... in their areas of expertize... as the hosts that people on this side know so well. The only reason they have not been "hosts" is because the MM forum software does not have that capability. Oh... and ACE's are Certified Experts... that's a different program.

Dorothy, I have seen a couple of ACEs in action at the other side, and I am sorry to say that I am not in the least favourably impressed by what I have seen. And no, thanks, I'm not interested in the likely candidates coming from that group, however likely or unlikely it is that some of them become hosts. Thanks anyway for your effort for cheering me up.

I think I've said this before (at least thought it), but adding to the pool of hosts out of the Group of Adobe Community Experts will likely add Spanish speaking hosts to the mix. That could create a relatively significant change. If you want to find the listing page for the Experts, you might want to see of some of them look like likely candidates. That'a keep you busy and out of trouble for a bit of time anyway. ;)

For the first time in all these years, I feel like giving up.

One. Even if I would like very much things to be otherwise, Ramón isn't exagerating much. There are full days, sometimes several days, with no posts over there.

Two. Nobody who is in the know has said anything concrete about the future of the localized forums. And it would seem that very few people in the know -if any at all- is positing in these forums.

Three. I have been unsuccessfully trying to convince the few "regulars" over there to post in here:

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b7c593/

(by the way, all the similar forums in other languages lead one to the discussion in English; this is the only one to have its own discussion). As nobody seems to care too much, I started trying to convince people from "the other side" to come and post their views, for they would be the most affected in case of survival, as they all use newsreaders. Well, the story deserves a special paragraph.

Due to the facts that all participants use newsreaders, and that there is absolutely no visible presence of moderators, most peple don't consider the forums at the other side as forums, but as a newsreader service with no connection with Adobe. The forum has developed in a sort of L*** where it is even not uncommon to read offers for interchanging fonts and software. And there seems to be a more or less generalized belief that they have the right to continue posting without controls of any kind. There are even some who think thay can do without Adobe.

Fighting this lost battle all by myself for all these years, only to find that I am even much more lonely than I thought is getting to be too much for me. And Jacob, you have been a great and steady support, and I thank you for that, but you cannot really help.

Maybe this is just one of those days and tomorrow I will be less pesimistic.

>Isn't this exagerating a bit?

Not at all. I chose my words carefully. Consider that I only visit two of the sections, the one where Photoshop is included and "other subjects". They're like a cemetery. :)

>Routinely, I find more posts about the Spanish forums here than actual posts over there.

Isn't this exagerating a bit?

>I often forget those forums exist.

Your privilege of course, but too bad for the rest of us; you have an enormous baggage of knowledge to share.

Some of the folks from the Experts groups are native speakers of various languages. Hopefully they will be available to host in forums of their language.

>survival year for the forums in Spanish

Routinely, I find more posts about the Spanish forums here than actual posts over there. :/ I often forget those forums exist.