Still no supervision in the French and Spanish forums?

Claudio, I'm not a Spanish speaker, but on principle I am very glad you keep trying to get those forums moderated. Spanish and French speakers (and quite possibly speakers of other languages) should have this facility, properly administered.

And I'm glad you pointed out the Lounge isn't all bad ;)

Dave, and all others who may object the phrase you quote,

I apologize for my careless generalization, although I would hope that anyone who knows me through the forums, as well as anyone who has followed in this forum discussions about things happening in the Lounge, would understand what I was trying to say, and didn't for the sake of brevity. For the rest, let me make it perfectly clear that I was specifically refering to the dog fights occurring in some threads of the Lounge, ending in people banned temporarily or definitively, in threads made read only, and even in eliminated threads. Although I don't visit the Lounge regularly, I do know that there are there many very interesting, useful, amusing, and even perfectly neutral topics there, which were not in my mind when I wrote what I wrote.

It would be a pity if the focus of this discussion was changed by this blunder of mine. Or if yours is the only comment my last message deserves. I already feel very discouraged and unwilling to continue with what seems to be my lonely campaign to improve the forums in Spanish, which in all these months has received nothing but the moral support of a handful of participants.

> I, for one, do not wish to see them decay into another Lounge

hmm...

As I have said several times, I have absolutely no desire to act as a forum cop in the Forums in Spanish, but someone has to do it. Yesterday I had to waste a lot of time to stop one of those dog fights that sometimes take place when two quick-tempered persons frequent the same forum. It wasn't pleasant, and I don't know how many more times I will do it, if I do it again. I was on the verge of asking for the thread to be made read only, but realized in time that one of the fighters was so mad that he would have then just opened a new one to continue with his battle. Which, by that time that I managed to put off the fire, had gotten very one sided.

The problem is neither new nor unknown to Adobe, so I find it sad that the level of those forums has to depend on the self regulating powers of their users. I, for one, do not wish to see them decay into another Lounge, but in Spanish, and resent having to assume a responsibility for which I have not volunteered.

I forgot to say something very important yesterday. The last sentence of my message, ending in "...a more functional site in Spanish.", should read "...a more functional site in Spanish, written fully and correctly in Spanish."

Neil,

Well, no wonder he is also exasperated: his hands are tied. And thanks for remembering; pity that there seems to be no one with the power to act listening.

I most certainly don't like to act as a forum cop, but someone has to do it while the forums in Spanish have no hosts/moderators. And, just in case, I'll repeat here what I have said several times in several of these forums: I'm not postulating to become a host/moderator, and have no intention of becoming one. I am although willing to collaborate in the planning and implementation of a better designed and more functional site in Spanish.

Claudio.

Claudio,

Not that I've forgotten about this or our earlier discussions. But I know that JC has been somewhat exasperated about this situation too.

Neil

Sorry for puting words in your mouth.

Adobe.Rt? for ruritania ;)

Hello Pierre,

It has been implied several times in these forums that it would seem that I am postulating for host/moderator in the Spanish forums. I have also posted several times that I am not. What I have volunteered for is for clening up and making more operational that forum, and in fact managed to do some decent work on that line during the first months of 2004, before the takeover by the undisclosed European Adobe branch in middle 2004. Just before the takeover, I had sent JC a proposal for a new, less clutered and more functional entry page, which even included a link to instructions for newcomers, but this doesn't seem to have been considered. At least, I have no evidence that it has even been read after all these more than twelve months.

Yes, the matter does seem to be a little more complex than a small change in the software to which Ozpeter was refering in that other thread. Maybe Ramón is right, and the French, German and Spanish forums are now in charge of the Right Royal Duchy of Ruritania branch ... Although, on second thoughts, a lot of things happened there, and nothing happens in these forums.

Ruritania showed up in "The Prisoner of Zenda", according to Google.