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February 28, 2009
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The Big Picture

  • February 28, 2009
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I think what is not being understood by some participants in these discussion is the scale of change which will follow the transition to the new forums.

Have a look at http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace-community and you'll see that the purpose of the Clearspace Community software goes way beyond the objectives that might be deduced of the current forums and their underlying software.

My personal take on things is that Adobe have decided that the whole style of the user interactions and community here is no longer appropriate to their corporate needs. There was a time when provision of a support forum was not seen as much related to the main thrust of company objectives, but those days have gone. Online communities are now one of the chief means of interaction between a corporation and its customers - and it's a two way channel. Interaction between those customers is also facilitated by within the online community but that's not necessarily deemed to be the key objective.

The forthcoming change represents, sadly, the end of this community and the creation of a new and very different one. The functional elements and the look and feel of their presentation in the Jive software are carefully designed to foster a particular style of interaction between users of Adobe software, and beween the users and the company. The functions and form are designed for an over-riding purpose and to support an overarching communications philosophy, not thrown in upon a whim.

It seems very clear to me that Adobe expects that the new community will have a significantly different flavour to the old, and that they will have anticipated that not all of the present members of this (and the Macromedia) communities will feel at home in the new one. There's no need to warn Adobe that some people will be unhappy enough not to return - they will have accepted that risk at the outset.

While there will be an inevitable loss of expertise, and it will be sad to see the last of some regular participants here, it seems clear to me that Adobe are hoping that the new style of community (moulded by the software they have chosen to create it) will bring in new members who may well have considerable expertise in the products, but who have not felt encouraged to participate in the style of community we have here now. The company will also be hoping that those newly requiring support will find the new site to be more effective and simpler to use than the old, and that the site will enable the company image and the strengths and usage of the product lines to be put across more clearly.

That, as I see it, is the big picture. There's not much point in discussing the points of detail unless in the context of the overall company objectives in making these changes - and if you disagree with the whole underlying premise of the changes, then there's little chance that you'll like much of the detail either.
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    March 3, 2009
    thanks. now ann, we need ditches. i need you to round up some diggers. come on! chop-chop!!! XD
    Jay_Chevako
    Participating Frequently
    March 3, 2009
    I'm going have to resurrect my Adobe pun expert signature.

    Jay
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    A.P.E.
    March 3, 2009
    Perfect!

    :)
    March 3, 2009
    dibs!

    March 3, 2009
    I have the solution:

    We are ALL "experts" at something so if these nonsensical little badges and avatars are going to be allowed I suggest that we ALL add an "EXPERT" Badge (of our own choice and design!) to all of our postings.

    "Real World Expert" would cover most of us quite nicely.
    March 3, 2009
    >sorry, but the presumed strong predisposition for swaggering does not allow me to agree with this

    XD
    Kath-H
    Inspiring
    March 3, 2009
    So you really don't know and have nothing to add?
    Günter_Schenk
    Inspiring
    March 3, 2009
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    right. thanks. that's a pretty good argument for NOT allowing the "badges"...
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    sorry, but the presumed strong predisposition for swaggering does not allow me to agree with this :-)
    March 3, 2009
    >and I do believe the left column should have a preference for being turned off.

    Keep in mind that such options can only be available if the ability is offered as a feature within the software. While such items can be added as a feature request for the software itself, John is avoiding any kind of code customization that would prohibit appropriate software upgrades in the future.

    I'm also not certain whether there is a limit on the number of icons (or whatever the term might be) that indicates status. There may well only be one allowed... so how then would people choose? It's also probably not possible to pick and choose which areas to display which icons. In all likelihood it's an all or nothing thing.

    All this is still yet to be seen... and so far we are working with near zero information. I'm gonna wait a bit before I try to figure that one out.
    March 3, 2009
    >From my experience: once you have that badge attached to your name, it´s in particular the new forum participants who may have a tendency to call you to account for matters you aren´t responsible for at all respectively which you can´t solve because they are out of your reach -- and as the Community Expert label (I reckon this could be *any* lable) appears to induce the huge misinterpretation that your posts reflect Adobe´s view

    right. thanks. that's a pretty good argument for NOT allowing the "badges"... :)