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Jacob Bugge
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Jacob BuggeCommunity Expert
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March 12, 2009
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The say of the natives

  • March 12, 2009
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Quite a few times it has been claimed in these threads that the posters are few, do not represent the average, and so on.

Seemingly this leads the claimers to the conclusion that the strong support of the present forum appearance and the consequent strong objections to the complete change anticipated, and at least partially confirmed, does not represent a general opinion among forum members.

However, I am convinced that the objections to the anticipated change are widespread among the product forum members, especially among frequent posters, and especially among those contributing answers.

As far as I can see in the product forums that I contribue to or follow, at least 3/4 of the questions are answered by forum regulars such as myself that never, or very rarely, ask questions themselves. This means that we may be few in number, but not in terms of contributing to the forums.

Actually, only few regulars in the product forums post in the general forums at all, except perhaps on very rare occasions, but all the reactions I saw after the nightmare of the aborted forum merge were clear: Everyone resented not only the serious issues, but also the very format, which was not that far from what we are anticipating here, based upon the feedback so far.

All other product forum members post (questions) much less frequently, but stil, all the reactions I saw after aborted forum merge were the same.

Consequently, as far as I can see, what is posted here in these threads is the say of the natives.
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    Chris Cox
    Chris Cox
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    March 13, 2009
    John is working on the preview, it'll get here when it is ready.
    Cindy-
    Cindy-
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    March 13, 2009
    > Tell John to give us something real... soon!

    They are probably worried all hell would break loose.
    John T Smith
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    John T SmithCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    March 13, 2009
    Chris Cox - 2:13pm Mar 13, 09 PST (#32 of 38) <br />Adobe Photoshop Engineer <br /><snip><br />>There is always more to the story than can be publicly shared.<br /><br />Chris... if you have any contact with John at Operations, the very best thing that would take people's focus away from attacking each other would be to post the link to the preview forum<br /><br />All we are doing now is chasing the rabbit down the race track... instead of being able to hunt real game, which would be pounding away on real software to see how well it works<br /><br />This place is full of rumors and supposition<br /><br />Tell John to give us something real... soon!
    Jacob Bugge
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    Jacob BuggeCommunity ExpertAuthor
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    March 13, 2009
    In the forums I know, regulars, and indeed all members deserving the term natives, take piracy very seriously.

    Anything else would be a great surprise. But then again, Len once commented that I was such an innocent, when I asked him how he recognized a pirate poster; I did not know the meaning of the word keygen.
    Cindy-
    Cindy-
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    March 13, 2009
    > There's every reason to think that some of the 'natives' haven't paid for the product and often don't have a manual, and thus greatly value the support generously given by the regulars here.

    You won't find that in the Mac Photoshop forum. The "regulars" around there can tell pretty quick whether or not someone is using their software legitimately.

    > It would be interesting to see the reduction in the number of natives here if that mechanism were possible in the new software. Doubtless it's not.

    I for one wouldn't care if you did that. I pay good money for Design Premium and don't like people pirating software. But by the same token I don't like too much policing or "hall monitors". I like an open atmosphere. I think it gets handled pretty well in the forums I go to.
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    Anonymous
    March 13, 2009
    > I wonder if Adobe appreciates just HOW much software is sold as a direct result of advice and help that is given in these Forums?

    Or not sold. There was a long and vitriolic thread in one of the product forums recently where something like twenty different people complained about a bug in the product. It was then revealed that this bug was only evident in pirated versions of the software. Sudden silence by the complaining members.

    There's every reason to think that some of the 'natives' haven't paid for the product and often don't have a manual, and thus greatly value the support generously given by the regulars here.

    In another company's forum I've heard about, it's a requirement that you provide your software serial number when you sign up. If it doesn't match with a valid number, you don't get in. If you're evaluating the product you can indicate that instead, and after a month, you have to provide the serial number if you've purchased the product, or you're out.

    It would be interesting to see the reduction in the number of natives here if that mechanism were possible in the new software. Doubtless it's not.
    Cindy-
    Cindy-
    Known Participant
    March 13, 2009
    > just treat one another half-way decently.

    Now I feel motivated.
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    Anonymous
    March 13, 2009
    good thing we don't have to actually like one another, just treat one another half-way decently.
    Cindy-
    Cindy-
    Known Participant
    March 13, 2009
    > The only aspirations I have around here is to be helpful.

    That may be true but I have never liked how you come across. Could be that sermonizing thing. Perhaps you think you can talk down to people. Whatever. Just reading some of the things you say to other people annoys me. But I tend to stay back until I have something to say... like now. There is no argument but rather just my take on you.

    I would not consider you a peace maker since I would stake money on there are others who feel just like I do. Who have never really had any cause to be involved in conversation with you and would like to keep it that way. You know, the yuk factor.

    So have at it dear.
    Chris Cox
    Chris Cox
    Legend
    March 13, 2009
    Ann - Calm down.

    Please stop attacking people.

    And be careful with the accusations.

    There is always more to the story than can be publicly shared.
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