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Jacob Bugge
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March 12, 2009
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The say of the natives

  • March 12, 2009
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Quite a few times it has been claimed in these threads that the posters are few, do not represent the average, and so on.

Seemingly this leads the claimers to the conclusion that the strong support of the present forum appearance and the consequent strong objections to the complete change anticipated, and at least partially confirmed, does not represent a general opinion among forum members.

However, I am convinced that the objections to the anticipated change are widespread among the product forum members, especially among frequent posters, and especially among those contributing answers.

As far as I can see in the product forums that I contribue to or follow, at least 3/4 of the questions are answered by forum regulars such as myself that never, or very rarely, ask questions themselves. This means that we may be few in number, but not in terms of contributing to the forums.

Actually, only few regulars in the product forums post in the general forums at all, except perhaps on very rare occasions, but all the reactions I saw after the nightmare of the aborted forum merge were clear: Everyone resented not only the serious issues, but also the very format, which was not that far from what we are anticipating here, based upon the feedback so far.

All other product forum members post (questions) much less frequently, but stil, all the reactions I saw after aborted forum merge were the same.

Consequently, as far as I can see, what is posted here in these threads is the say of the natives.
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    Anonymous
    March 13, 2009
    You're funny, Curt. :)

    Kath, if you want to be queen bee, I don't care. The only question I'd have for you is what color crown you prefer, silver or gold. The only aspirations I have around here is to be helpful. If you want to assume more, you're well within your rights to do so.
    Kath-H
    Kath-H
    Inspiring
    March 13, 2009
    Just so you know - I do not regard you as qualified to sermonise at me.
    Curt Wrigley
    Curt Wrigley
    Inspiring
    March 13, 2009
    Amen
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    Anonymous
    March 13, 2009
    Kath, much, or most, of the stuff I do online relates to how people talk to one another. I have been dismayed all these years that some of the old ways of interacting have continued to live on even now, tho to a far lesser degree then once was. I hope that the days of beating on newbies is gone, but you do still see it now and again. So, yes, I talk about how people relate to one another online. I tend to use business models and suggest that they write as tho they are in f2f meeting with the folks they are interacting with, which tends to temper some of the extremes that otherwise show up. I also encourage folks to remain aware of the perspectives of other people around them and to take those into consideration in their interactions. I also ask people to be realistic in both their suppositions and expectations. If all that constitutes a sermon, all I can say is that I'm sorry it's needed.
    Cindy-
    Cindy-
    Known Participant
    March 13, 2009
    > If you don't have one, I would say you do not have an equal voice with Curt

    Sorry, Curts outside activities have nothing to do with these forums.
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    Anonymous
    March 13, 2009
    >So... Ann... where is the web site you've created to help users?

    I try to help in THESE Forums (and I do read all of the Posts regularly, if not daily, and respond whenever I can help) in the Photoshop, Photography, ACR, Bridge and Forum C&A forums.

    I also regularly read, but admit that I post a lot less frequently, in the inDesign and Illustrator Forums.

    As a contributor, I am only concerned with how the Adobe User to User Forums work and up until now the ADOBE FORUMS (unlike the MM ones!) have been the epitome of efficient and clean design and usability except for the slowness that we sometimes experience.

    Speed of access was, and is, the ONLY aspect that needed to be changed or "improved".

    [Sorry, but all other web site creation that I do is done only for people who will PAY for it!]
    Jacob Bugge
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    Jacob BuggeCommunity ExpertAuthor
    Community Expert
    March 13, 2009
    In the OP I stated three things:

    1) There are some regulars that post more often than anyone else, and they provide most of the answers. I have not said that the regulars should have a special treatment or be the only one with a say.

    2) The only reaction I have seen after the aborted merge, from both regulars and other forum members, has included a strong opposition to the format of it. Both groups together constitute the natives that I refer to.

    Therefore, what is posted here in these threads is the say of the natives.

    And:

    3) According to the feedback (actual statements and reference to existing comparable forums), the merged forum format was not that far from what we may expect.

    Therefore, the say is not groundless, although I hope things will have developed when we get to the preview.
    John T Smith
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    John T SmithCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    March 13, 2009
    Sigh... now we are being told that only those who post product help have an equal voice

    Curt is, as he said, a very long time helper in the Premiere forum... and he even has a web site dedicate to providing ongoing Premiere help and tutorials

    But, since Ann evidently doesn't go to Premiere, anything Curt says doesn't count

    So... Ann... where is the web site you've created to help users?

    If you don't have one, I would say you do not have an equal voice with Curt

    I am REALLY looking forward to the preview forum... this yelling about what MIGHT be coming got old and tired a long time ago
    Kath-H
    Kath-H
    Inspiring
    March 13, 2009
    >As to my participation, if it's really any of your business, or a factor to be considered in my qualification to be in this space, I do not, and never have claimed expertize in any Adobe programs, other then the forums.

    Well, yes, it is relevant. It wouldn't be, if you didn't take it upon yourself to tell people how to behave - considerable respect needs to be earned before venturing there, a host badge doesn't cut it. No-one *sees* you doing anything useful apart from sweeping up the odd bit of spam. On technical forum issues you mainly say it's all beyond your understanding and we should just trust John (as it happens, I do, to do everything he can to bring about a successful outcome).

    No harm in your contributing as a user, of course, but your little sermons are just irritating.
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    Anonymous
    March 13, 2009
    >Come down off your high horse and mingle with the Unwashed and Ignorant Masses.

    Why on earth should I WANT to?

    :)

    But why are YOU so anxious to drag the Adobe Forums down to the level of the "Unwashed and Ignorant Masses" (YOUR phrase!)?
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