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>I consult the forums for intelligent, experienced solutions to software problems, not for socializing or chatter.

what about those who provide the solutions?

IMHO, The high level pages with links to the forums themselves are clean and easy to navigate.

I'm disappointed in the discussions listings themselves. They are even harder to browse than the original format. The topic fields are truncated and given less importance than the posters's names!

I consult the forums for intelligent, experienced solutions to software problems, not for socializing or chatter.

>If you don't want to post, then link, and your rights are maintained.

Don:

THAT is exactly what needs to be clarified in a re-write of Clause 8.

For example; most of us use Pixentral which embeds a small preview image on Adobe's site which then links to the full-sized web image on an external server.

As others have pointed out, our "Content" is now, to all effects and purposes, displayed on Adobe's site. Under the TOS, as it now exists, that would jeopardise our rights.

You are construing the TOS in a way that differs considerably from the actual wording used in Clause 8 but I don't believe that you either live in the USA or are employed by Adobe Legal so your opinion is only a "Lay Opinion" and would unfortunately not help us too much in a Court of Law?

Meanwhile, no-one in the Photography Forum seems willing to risk posting their photographs any longer because sadly no new images have been posted for several days now.

> Theft of Intellectual Property" and is outright Piracy

It is not theft. They are not taking anything from you. They are just saying that if you give it to them, they assume certain rights. It would only be theft if they were forcing you to post images. If you don't want to post, then link, and your rights are maintained.

Don:

It IS a very big thing for Professional Photographers.

Although all photographs are automatically copyrighted in the USA the moment the shutter is fired; probably all of us also embed our Copyright Notice in our metadata as well as stamping the word "Copyright and the © on all Photographs with that we post on the Internet.

That is not the point and it does NOT protect us from Adobe's astonishing claim that anything that is posted on their web sites (or which is LINKED to their web site!) has automatically gives them full publishing rights worldwide, in any media, for any purpose and in perpetuity.

Clause 8 as it is now written amounts to nothing less than "Theft of Intellectual Property" and is outright Piracy.

You are obviously unaware that there is a much-loved Photography Forum among these Forums where many top-class photographers share techniques and display their work.

All of us take the Copyright issue extremely seriously with the result that none of us want to even post Links to our images on external Servers anymore and we certainly will not be uploading any images directly into the new Jive Forums until this matter is cleared up.

Being unable to see and discuss each others photographs effectively kills the purpose of the Photography Forum which was instigated by John Cornicello himself (who is an outstanding photographer and is a frequent, and highly esteemed, contributor to that Forum).

I don't see the problem with clause 8. If you have something that you don't want Adobe to have access to, you don't post it. Or overlay a copyright line across is, if it is something that you have to get an opinion on it. Or just post a link to an outside source, the way we have to do now.

A clause 8 is required for Adobe to make use of the material they amass in other ways, if they ever want to. It is quite possible that just transferring forums to a new version would be considered republishing (of the carried over data) and without Clause 8, Adobe would have to get permission from every poster of an image in order to legally reuse the data.

It is not as big a thing as Ann is making it out to be.

LOSING, flangblammit!!!!!

the new forums can't even keep track of the last post you read so you will be doing lots of interaction try to figure out what's been read and not read.

I can see Adobe loosing many helpful people with the new forum.

Spoken like a true IT person. :)

but one who hasn't yet realized the piss poor performance of the new forums. :/

As a long time user of the old forums; I say it's about time we had a new better forum. I like the new one; after all anything is better than what these old ones do. For example; I like using RSS feeds; but doingn so I can't reply to a post unless I go to the forum to post -- Something I abhor, hence I don't post that much.

Congrats Adobe -- I'm looking forward to interacting with the new RSS feeds from this new forum software. I might even use the new forum in a web browser since it's appears much more "mainstream".