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September 29, 2020
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How to check if PDF was edited or not.

  • September 29, 2020
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We need program to check if PDF was edited or not. For example bank statement. Is it original or edited. Do you have program for this? Maybe Adobe Pro? We need to check not our document, but clients bank statement to be sure that income is real and PDF is not edited with fake income. So maybe you have or know program which can do this?

Correct answer Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com

Wow.

Forensic accounting. Interesting question. You suspect your client is cheating with digital forgeries!

 

Adding to Anand's reply above, one thing to note: you will see a modified date in the metadata (File / Properties / Description tab) not just because the content was edited (such as adding $10,000 to the bank balance), but also if any highlighting or comments were added to the file.

 

Example: in my bank statements, I add comments to them to flag major purchases or items that have been reconciled with our accounting system. My comments would trigger that the file was modified, yet no content had been edited.

 

Since the content of PDFs can be edited, it's difficult for a program to track what WAS there and what IS there now. I don't know of any tools that can track or identify where the content has changed, but if you knew someone with PDF coding experience, they might be able to spot some digital paper trails in the source code of the file itself. (Maybe one of our braniac PDF coders on this forum will chime in on this.)

 

If you could get ahold of the bank's original version (such as redownload a fresh copy of the PDF, or via warrant request PDFs from the bank itself), you could then use Acrobat Pro's Compare utility. Select both PDFs, click the button, and it compares the differences between the 2 documents, including formatting and edited content. But this works only if you have the original PDF.

 

8 replies

Participant
May 26, 2024
  1. Open a document for viewing on microsoft edge.
    1. In the top right click the Setting button.
  2. A drawer opens from the right-hand side with 3 tabs.
  3. The View document properties shows all actions taken on the document, including when and by whom.
Participant
March 30, 2024

Hey. Any chance you can help.

 

I am at the work tribunal this week coming and I have just received my ex employers evidence bundle. Inside the bundle is a training agreement which I suspect to be edited. I only have the print out version. Is there any way to confirm this has been edited?

 

Thanks 

try67
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 30, 2024

If it wasn't digitally signed it's very difficult to do so. But if you have a printed copy you can compare the two manually.

Participant
September 25, 2022

I have technology that can address this but the PDF just needs to be tokenized first. After tokenization it can be authenticated at any time after. No need to sign the PDF. Just tokenize. And you can put anything in the token too. Like biometrics, valid ID, video or a picture. The PDF opens normally with any compliant PDF reader.

Participant
August 17, 2023

Does this technology allow you to open the PDF and it would tell which parts of the PDF were edited? 

Participant
August 18, 2023

Yes. May I ask how large the PDFs are normally? Hundred page contracts?

JR Boulay
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 8, 2021

"anyone who is motivated can fake anything. "

So I guess that anyone who is motivated can fake a digital signature too!

😉

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Bernd Alheit
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 8, 2021

This is not possible.

JR Boulay
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 8, 2021
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JR Boulay
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 6, 2021

It's very simple: each PDF document has a unique identifier number, the "Permanent identifier", made up of two parts.

It is therefore sufficient to compare the "Permanent identifier" of the original document with another document to know if this one has been modified.

 

abracadabra-DocID is a free plugin for Acrobat which allows you to easily compare "Permanent identifier": https://www.abracadabrapdf.net/?p=964

 

 

 

 

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Legend
February 6, 2021

I think there is a very important point to make about this, because people are saying what is supposed to happen, and it's all true. BUT, it's useless from a Forensic point of view. The rules of PDF are not a secret, or even difficult, so anyone who is motivated can fake anything. 

 

So these answers are useful from the point of view of "I wonder if anyone in the department edited this, and when, so I can know if my copy is out of date". However they are all useless from the point of view of "I have this contract and I think someone has edited it". Useless, useless. This would never stand in court. 

 

This is why digital signatures were invented. 

Participant
February 5, 2021

Hi, 

 

I have a relatively easy solution to this. 
I work for a cryptocurrency company as a compliance agent. I figured out that if you were to open the pdf document with notepad. You will be able to see the metadata. 80% of the time I was able to see if client has used photoshop or illustrator to edit the file or not. Hope this helps buddy.

 

Best regards, 

Andy L

Participant
February 5, 2021

If anyone can figure out how to crack or understand the Chinese japanese Korean metadata please let me know. That would be super helpful!

Legend
February 6, 2021

The PDF specification, ISO 32000, includes full details on metadata and string formats. It is public info, no need to crack anything or guess.

Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
Legend
September 29, 2020

Wow.

Forensic accounting. Interesting question. You suspect your client is cheating with digital forgeries!

 

Adding to Anand's reply above, one thing to note: you will see a modified date in the metadata (File / Properties / Description tab) not just because the content was edited (such as adding $10,000 to the bank balance), but also if any highlighting or comments were added to the file.

 

Example: in my bank statements, I add comments to them to flag major purchases or items that have been reconciled with our accounting system. My comments would trigger that the file was modified, yet no content had been edited.

 

Since the content of PDFs can be edited, it's difficult for a program to track what WAS there and what IS there now. I don't know of any tools that can track or identify where the content has changed, but if you knew someone with PDF coding experience, they might be able to spot some digital paper trails in the source code of the file itself. (Maybe one of our braniac PDF coders on this forum will chime in on this.)

 

If you could get ahold of the bank's original version (such as redownload a fresh copy of the PDF, or via warrant request PDFs from the bank itself), you could then use Acrobat Pro's Compare utility. Select both PDFs, click the button, and it compares the differences between the 2 documents, including formatting and edited content. But this works only if you have the original PDF.

 

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AnandSri
Community Manager
Community Manager
September 29, 2020

Hi!

 

I hope you are doing well.

 

There is no sure proof way to determine if a generic PDF file is modified. If you go to the document properties of a PDF file (control or command d), if the proper metadata is available, it will list the creation date and time and modified date and time.

 

This can help you determine if a pdf file has been modified since creation. However, it is not foolproof. This metadata is not secured.

 

The easiest way to detect if a file has been modified to digitally sign the document. Reader and Acrobat will report if the document has been changed since it was signed.

 

For detailed information about the signature, please see this article: https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/using/certificate-based-signatures.html 

I hope this helps.

 

Thanks,
Anand Sri.