Extremely difficult to generate images of clean shaven men

[PAPA DELTA]

You should work on the beards, you only offer pictures of men with a beard, even when I exclude beard, moustche from the prompt, you show only men with a beard. Or has anybody a solution how to get portraits and pictures of men without a beard?

[DeanUtian]

Firefly doesn't have a built-in negative prompt functionality at the moment. In an earlier version, there was an Advanced settings - exclusion area where you could add words that would tell Firefly what not to include.  I believe Adobe is working on a new and improved negative prompt functionality. For now, you need to use words that describe what you want without including the words you don't want. I tried the prompt "man with clean shaven face" and got images of person without a beard or moustche.

[Jill_C]

Try using phrases such as "beardless", or "clean-shaven".

[PAPA DELTA]

• Thank you, I have tried beardless, without beard/moutache, but they still had one . So I will try "clean shaven face".

[DeanUtian]

I have found words like 'beardless' don't work the way you want as Firefly still sees the word 'beard'. Adding 'without' or 'no' will be ignored. I just tried again - see Firefly has image 3 as well as image 2 now. Image 3 still gave some faces when I had the "clean shaven face" in the prompt.  Trying a few times did get some good results.

[Preran]

You are right. It is tough to generate images of men without beards and moustaches. And the few times Firefly managed to get it right, they were of the same ethnicity. I am moving this discussion to the bugs section.

[droopydog500]

I think this has changed somewhat with model 3. I just did some test generations of groups of men. Out of 61 men generated 52% were beardless. That is a much higher percentage than model 2. Same prompts on model 2 generated only 19% beardless men.

[Joseph30043080wnuc]

written every way possible. firefly just refuses to break out the razor

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Joseph30043080wnuc what specific prompts are you trying?

[droopydog500]

Beards appear to be a special case/problem. They are very hard to get rid of. You can see here that even with this long prompt, not all the images are without beards, but it gets the highest percentage of beardless people:

clean-shaven smooth-face fresh-face clear-chin bare-faced youthful man looking in distance 

    droopy

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

I've found "unblemished" works fairly well. You still get some 5 o'clock shadows sometimes, but the majority turn out ok.

[Joseph30043080wnuc]

Shaved
Shaven
Clean shaven
Cleanshaven
Clean shaved
Cleanshaved
Cleanly shaved
Beardless
No beard
“No beard”
Without beard
“Without beard”
Without any beard
Baldfaced

I did not do “bald” because I want the guy to have hair on his head.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

As noted above "No", "Without" or any negative prompting will not work currently so it actually includes what you are trying to remove.

[PAPA DELTA]

I have tried all your suggestions, but it does not work for me. All the men have a beard, moustache. Honestly, I am disappointed, I have been using Firefly for a year now, but will have to explore other apps as the beard problem is remaining too long.

[droopydog500]

Unfortunately, the beard problem remains. Adobe is aware of the problem and has indicated they are working on it.

    droopy

[Kartika Rawat]

Hi jael_4719! 

Sorry to see you're having the issue. I'm merging your thread with the same discussion

Thanks,
^KR

[Sally33507316kwad]

It is a struggle to exclude specific things.

Having an additional prompt field for exclusions would be helpful.

For instance, beards.

I've tried variations of the following and continue getting beards. So many beards.

- adding "no"

- using alternate copy such as clean-shaven, full-shave, no hair on face, beardless, etc.

[droopydog500]

Hello @Sally33507316kwad,

Negative prompting is a problem. The model does not understand the concept of a word being negated by the word in front of it. So using "not [X]", "no [X]", "exclude [X]", "with no [X]", and "without [X]" does not work. As you observed, it ignores the negation word and adds to the image the thing you are trying to avoid.  You basically need to find "positive" words and phrases telling the model what you want to see rather than telling it what you do not want to see.  Such as "flat land" rather than "no mountains" or "desolate" rather than "no people".  If I am not sure how to describe something I want to exclude in a positive way, I will ask Google Gemini or ChatGPT for ideas.  Just be aware that when they give prompts, they are usually too wordy and conversational, so you have to edit them, but they are good for ideas.

I will add that beards appear to be a special case. They are very hard to get rid of. You can see here that even with this long prompt, not all the images are without beards:

clean-shaven smooth-face fresh-face clear-chin bare-faced youthful man looking in distance 

My best,
    droopy

[Oh.N8]

Hey @Sally33507316kwad 

Just to add a bit more to what @droopydog500  mentioned. I cases like the beard. I also find using a young man or young person helps. 

Prompt

teenage young man. I then used the image below as a style image.

 

Prompt: Young man in a park

I also want to reiterate what @droopydog500  mentioned ask for the outcome that you want. This is very important.

Cheers

O. Nate

[Sally33507316kwad]

Thank you for your feedback.

While kind suggestions in more effectively designing prompts, my key suggestion was including a field in Firefly prompts for excluding items to assist in getting more desirable/accurate responses more efficiently.

To give an example, my prompt that I was trying to gather results for was "man in his 40s, beardless, authentic" and I was still getting majority responses with men with stubble at minimum. When adding in "clean shaven" to try to eleminate stubble I started to get many nicely trimmed beards. While more youthful people may be more likely to get beardless results- that was not what I needed.

An "exclusions" field would take out that AI interpritation gray area if we are able to difinitively say "NO" to a prompt item. 

[droopydog500]

Hi @Sally33507316kwad,

Beards are (and have been) a worst case situation in Firefly. "Beardless" does not work. I have found that you have to use a large number of qualifiers (see my example above) and even then, only about 50% do not have beards.

Please consider upvoting the negative prompting feature request.

My best,

    droopy

[R-16]

Firefly does not seem to be able to generate an image of a clean-shaven man—even when "clean-shaven" or "without a beard" is explicitly in the prompt. Am I missing a setting somewhere? This has been true so far in both still image and video generation.

[droopydog500]

Hi @R-16,

I refer you to my earlier post in this thread. Beards appear to be a special case and are hard to get rid of. Note also that negative prompting does not work with these models.

My best,

    droopy