Nudity and Semi nudity using AI and its imposed restrictions.

[Starsson]

Hello Adobe and its collective users

I am writing to you not only as a devoted user of Adobe’s suite of creative tools but also as a professional photographer whose work has been recognized and displayed in museum settings. My specialization in classic nudes has allowed me to explore the human form in a manner that celebrates beauty, form, and artistic expression. However, I have encountered a significant challenge with the AI restrictions placed on editing images that contain nudity, even when such images are created within a professional, artistic context.

As an artist whose work often involves nuanced and sensitive subjects, I understand and respect the complexities of creating ethical AI tools that serve a wide user base. However, the current limitations significantly impact my creative process and professional workflow, particularly when it comes to editing backgrounds for nude or semi-nude images. These restrictions not only prolong my work but also inhibit my artistic expression, compelling me to seek alternative solutions that may not offer the same level of quality and integration as Adobe’s products.

I propose the consideration of the following points, which I believe could benefit both Adobe and its professional users:

Artistic Integrity and Professional Use: Recognition of the professional and artistic context in which tools are used can help differentiate between content that is genuinely creative and that which the restrictions aim to prevent.

Ethical Use Policy: An ethical use policy that accommodates professional artists and photographers, possibly through a verification process, ensuring that our work is not unduly censored while maintaining legal and ethical standards.

Custom Solutions for Professionals: The development of specialized software versions that allow more flexibility for editing sensitive content, with appropriate safeguards to prevent misuse.

Feedback and Advisory Panel: Establishing a panel of professionals from the art and photography community to provide ongoing feedback and insights on how Adobe’s tools can better serve creative professionals.

Transparent Guidelines: The creation of clear, transparent guidelines that navigate the legal and ethical landscape, especially regarding sensitive content, to ensure users can understand and comply with Adobe’s policies.

I am fully committed to engaging in a constructive dialogue and am willing to be part of a solution that respects both the creative needs of artists and the ethical considerations of digital content. I believe that by working together, we can find a balanced approach that supports artistic expression while adhering to shared values and responsibilities.

Thank you for considering my perspective on this matter. I am hopeful for an opportunity to discuss this further and explore how we can make Adobe’s tools even more inclusive and accommodating for professional artists and photographers.    Steven Williams 

[JuliO111]

Yes, thank you! I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your work at this Community! 

[Jill_C]

How nice of you to say that. I appreciate it.

[Abambo]

Mmm, I'm new one here, I didn't know that. I thought the old accounts here work in Adobe. At least that's how they communicate and try to look alike  sometimes 🙂 And yes, thank you very much for the answer

By @JuliO111

Adobe employees participating in the fora have an Adobe badge. They rarely participate here in the stock contributor forum.

[daniellei4510]

A simple search for "nudes" on Adobe Stock will answer all of these strangely specific and detailed questions.

[Abambo]

1-8: I really do not see a need to create nudes or semi nudes. Advertising for fashion will anyhow use the real thing.

[daniellei4510]

I've often wondered about this. As a former figure/fashion/fine art photographer for over 20 years, will models be among the first to start losing business because of AI? Not now, but eventually. No, we will never see a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition featuring AI models. People who eat that stuff up want the real thing. I'm thinking more along the line of catalog models, male and female alike, who even now, while real people, are basically interchangable, like living mannequins that can be dressed in different outfits from one day to the next, from one season to the next, or from one fashion trend to the next.

[Abambo]

There wont be a Sports Illustrated in 20 years.But yes, the small modelling jobs may suffer.

[JuliO111]

I believe that we are 4-6 months from first nude-half nude (lets say sexy) model on cover at some magazine.

[Nancy OShea]

Stock is a global company.  In some regions, nudity is taboo.  Even if it's accepted by Stock, your content won't get passed strict regional vetting processes which could adversely impact visibility & sales. Provocative content won't appeal to everyone.  Just something to consider.

[JuliO111]

Well, I'm not interesting of doing something provocative, its just 2024 you know. At many places I see those photos already. Its not about to sell it to Iraq people.

[dirk_1865]

In some regions even showing a woman is taboo. In other regions music is taboo. If Adobes "artificial intelligence" isn't capable of avoiding misuse in this field it seems not to be that intelligent. There is a huge difference between removing an unwanted shadow from a skirt/bikini/lingerie or strip someone naked, isn't there? At least such differences an AI should register. Yes, I know the AI guidelines. But they are far from reality and an obstacle for tens of thousands of users.

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[Monika Gause]

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@dirk_1865  schrieb:

removing an unwanted shadow from a skirt/bikini/lingerie  

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And what role does Firefly play in that kind of task?

[daniellei4510]

Yep. A lot of people relying on AI to do all of the editing for them. That can work sometimes, but not all of the time.

[Hans37096729t3t2]

Hi Monika, Dirk here. I don't know why you banned me. It wasn't my intention to offend you. Sorry if you feel like this!

I linked to Adobes Creative Fill commercial site. It reads generative fill is based on Adobe Firefly. When I try i.e. to remove a shadow near skin or on skin or on see-through-clothing via creative fill tool Photoshop gives an alert message telling of violated rules. Firefly is using its nudefilter on parts where absolutely no nudity is happening. OK, it's nude skin. But no mumus or tutus 🙂 That's the/my problem.

It Would be nice if you take my other account back on track. Thank you!

[jane-e]

I don't know why you banned me.. ... It Would be nice if you take my other account back on track.

By @Hans37096729t3t2

Monika did not ban you. She is a volunteer on the Adobe forums and we are not given that capability. Only Adobe staff can ban users who break the community guidelines. Volunteers cannot override decisions by staff. 

If you feel that you were banned in error, you can make your case on the Using the Community forum.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/using-the-community/ct-p/ct-Using-the-Community

Jane

[Hans37096729t3t2]

Thanks for the info. Have a nice day🥳

[Abambo]

In addition what has been said: submit and see what gets accepted.

[JuliO111]

Yep you are very right!

[oleschwander]

I think you will have a hard time creating nudity by AI. Most - if not all - most common AI generators will not allow anything near nudity.

[Abambo]

You can have your own AI for that.

[JuliO111]

Actually they do, when its not about nudity itself, but beauty, also. For example nakes woman's spine or some half-transtaprent bikini is ok. 

[dirk_1865]

It's not about creating nudity but about working with material containing nudidity. A huge difference.

[RV1970]

I agree with you completely.  But I also understand that it is their software and they make the rules.  This type of issue is not uncommon for an American company.  America has its pros and cons. I would suggest you look around the internet for another program. Or find a creative way around it. 

[Nancy OShea]

"Adobe should not be responsible for governing content.  If some offensive content is
created then the remedy is to turn to the courts"

By@sjedens 

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Which courts, where?

Different regions have their own decency & morality laws.  What works for you in one place could be a 20 year prison sentence in another. And that's not hyperbole. There are women who have lost their lives for an improperly applied Hijab (head covering).  Nudity would be unthinkable.

Adobe is a global business that must respect the laws of govts inside and outside North America. If you can't understand that, maybe you should use a regional service instead of a global one.

[DazzlingVastness]

Perhaps the issue that I've been confused about since I started using generative fill is this: I can understand why social media, such as Instagram and Facebook don't allow nudity. It is for the very reasons that are being mentioned here. But with generative fill, the only one that should be seeing the photos I'm editing are myself and those whom I choose to share it with, such as the model, as well as paywall social media that allows it, prints of my work which would be shown and/or sold in venues that allow for it, etc? How is it any of Adobe's business whether I work with nude models if, at least at the moment nudity in art isn't outright banned by the government? I'm not breaking any laws, and I'm not sharing the photos I'm editing anywhere but where it is allowed. So unless Adobe is viewing and sharing the photos I'm editing... again, why should they care? How is it their business?