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March 24, 2023
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P: Maintaining a scene or character across different prompts

  • March 24, 2023
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Let's say I wanted to storyboard a script and produce different angles of the same thing. It would be nice to have something that holds on to the core look and objects within the frame so we can get a wide, medium , and close shot of the same scene.

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Participant
December 18, 2023

Gostaria de sugerir a implementação de recursos aprimorados para a criação de personagens em sua plataforma. A proposta é que os usuários possam manter a identidade visual de seus personagens e, por meio de prompts ou comandos intuitivos, ajustar facilmente posições, cenários ao redor e interações com outros personagens criados pelo mesmo autor.

Imagino que essa funcionalidade simplificaria significativamente o processo de criação, permitindo que os usuários se concentrem na narrativa e na dinâmica entre os personagens, sem a necessidade de redesenhar cada cena. Essa abordagem inovadora não apenas agilizaria o fluxo de trabalho, mas também abriria portas para a criação de histórias visuais mais ricas e envolventes.

Acredito que essa adição não só beneficiaria os usuários ao proporcionar mais flexibilidade e eficiência, mas também enriqueceria a experiência geral na Adobe Firefly. Espero que essa sugestão contribua para o contínuo aprimoramento da plataforma, proporcionando aos criadores um ambiente mais intuitivo e inspirador para dar vida às suas histórias.

jane-e
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 18, 2023

@Fabio310698141uoi 

 

Firefly does not do that currently. If you want consistency between scenes and characters in your stories, you might want to explore traditional methods of working. Try Adobe Illustrator or Adobe Photoshop or a combination of both.

 

Jane

Participant
December 15, 2023

driving me nuts.  I need to have the SAME two chartoon childern doing various things.  Each time I generate a new sceane, the kids are different.  I've even uploaded a reference pic, and appears to have no effect.

 

Has anyone figured this out?

 

Please advise. 

CMass
Community Manager
Community Manager
December 15, 2023

There is an idea for that in the community, but there is no way to consistently get the same character across all generations using just the prompt right now. :< 

Please add your vote to this idea: P: Maintaining a scene or character across different prompts

형진박84186224
Participant
December 13, 2023

Please create a feature that allows the character's image to maintain a consistent appearance based on the content written in the prompt. For example, if the prompt is "Create a side view of the character," it should be able to show the character's frontal view as a side view for the same character. The current situation of generating entirely new characters seems insufficient for utilizing the Firefly's capabilities to the fullest. From a designer's perspective, this feature is genuinely essential.

Participant
December 12, 2023

To build storyboard with same characters across images 

Matt Matt
Participating Frequently
December 1, 2023

I appreciate your appreciation! 🙂 

Let's face it, generative AI is still relatively uncharted territory. It's been an "on the job" experience to say the least. 

In terms of prompts, I'm not exactly sure if having more or less information for the tool to bite onto is positive or negative. In my own expereience, and in also using other generative AI image tools outside of Firefly, the more detailed information you can feed it the better. This is why I've developed my own prompting convention to help keep this stuff approachable and manageable, otherwise it gets thick into the weeds really quickly. 

I have some possibly interesting takeaways to share after having just completed my last frame of the script, which was a hurclean feat and a half.  As follows: 

 

  • Generative AI text-to-image (or video) is NOT ready for prime time in the context of multiframe narrative where you need the same character throughout the storyline. No jobs are getting replaced here. The toolset will get there within the next year or two, especially if there's a ton of demand for that out there, but as it stands today you'd better have a full body of hair on your head because half of it is getting pulled out and the other half is going grey. True story. 

  • Firefly's "Style Reference" feature is a great bonus in terms of getting similar results, BUT it most definitely needs refinement, such as locking or resusing the same seed generation, which would go a long way to help ensuring you get the desired result. Again, if used, ALL characters in your scene get the same likeness. Everyone looks like a sibling. It's currently working in a pinch to varied results, but it feels rudimentry, or too "user-friendly" as it stands at the moment. Adobe, give us a little autonomy here. 
  • Maybe this is a placebo due to starring at the screen for rash of uninterprupted consecutive hours, but as I went along in my generation journey of my character generation results seemed to get progressively worse. My results started to get progressively "muddier". I'm not sure how Firefly is working under the hood, and I doubt Adobe will let us take a peek, but resetting the UI seemed to bring it back to results I would expect. 

 

  • Hands. Lord help us all with AI hands. Pick your poisonous generation tool, they all suffer from this and it will be the bane of my AI existence until it's reliably addressed. 

 

  • Production time: Thought you were going to save time=money, did you? Ha! Sure, I didn't have to illustrate each frame which obviously DOES save time=money in the grand scheme of things, but there's plenty of time=money in having to sit there and massage the deep learning models to behave itself like an onry toddler. There's hope here; As the models data mine more information the equation will eventually be, "understanding=awesome sauce". 

 

Cheers, and happy holidays, you crazy creative cloud kids! 

 

CSI Productions
Inspiring
December 1, 2023

Matt,

 

Thank you so much. I (and I'm sure others) are so appreciative of you sharing this with us. We're all trying to get a grip on what prompts deliver what we want and this is one of the longer prompts I've seen. I wasn't even aware it would generate an image with this much info so I think we all just learned something.

 

I've mentioned a number of times that I'm trying to create a children's book my daughter wrote and until I can generate consistency of characters between scenes, I can't begin the process. To date this is the closest I've seen.

 

Again thank you for your kindness and willingness to share this important prompt.

R.CatesCSI ProductionsIf you want peace, be peaceful.
Matt Matt
Participating Frequently
December 1, 2023

All Firefly, using the Style Reference feature, which is crucial to teaching the model that you want "x" character's likeness in each generation. 

Matt Matt
Participating Frequently
December 1, 2023

The main qualifying prompt is: 
"a 40-year-old woman with tan skin, medium-length black wavy hair parted to the left, with hazel eyes and a long slender nose, with medium-thin lips"... (This gets inserted in the front of every subesquent prompt)

Followed by an attire prompt: 
..."wearing collarless white pleated blouse with a saturated magenta blazer and dark grey business casual pants with purple flat shoes"....

Followed by an action prompt: 
..."sitting inside a blue car holding the steering wheel and driving on a busy city street, with her head pointed forward at the road"...

Followed by a camera prompt: 
..."Wide side view"...

Followed by an enviroment/lighting prompt: 
..."with back lighting."

The complete prompt looks like this:
a 40-year-old woman with tan skin, medium-length black wavy hair parted to the left, with hazel eyes and a long slender nose, with medium-thin lips, wearing collarless white pleated blouse with a saturated magenta blazer and dark grey business casual pants with purple flat shoes, sitting inside a blue car holding the steering wheel and driving on a busy city street, with her head pointed forward at the road. Wide side view with back lighting.

You can switch the order, and insert your own unique prompts. This has been working for me thus far, some scenes better than others. When I get to scenes that involve multiple characters (plus my lead character) Firefly reallys starts to shirt the bed. 

I'm still trying to figure out getting reliable/effective camera angles and NOT having the character look at the camera like a fool. Seems random at best. If anyone has any solid prompts for that I would greatly appreciate the share. Before anyone jumps in I've added "looking at camera" in the exclude list under the advanced field on the sidebar. Does not matter. 

CSI Productions
Inspiring
November 30, 2023

Did you say you did or did not use FireFly for this sequence of images. If you did, I think this is very close. If not, it gives me hope that at some point we'll have something like this in FF. The without clothes is clearly an issue but as you showed here, neck and shoulders isn't really naked but you probably need to use that in the prompt which would raise a red flag. Moving in the right direction.

R.CatesCSI ProductionsIf you want peace, be peaceful.
Participant
November 30, 2023
Hi Can you share the prompts that you used?
Vince