Nudity and Semi nudity using AI and its imposed restrictions.

[Starsson]

Hello Adobe and its collective users

I am writing to you not only as a devoted user of Adobe’s suite of creative tools but also as a professional photographer whose work has been recognized and displayed in museum settings. My specialization in classic nudes has allowed me to explore the human form in a manner that celebrates beauty, form, and artistic expression. However, I have encountered a significant challenge with the AI restrictions placed on editing images that contain nudity, even when such images are created within a professional, artistic context.

As an artist whose work often involves nuanced and sensitive subjects, I understand and respect the complexities of creating ethical AI tools that serve a wide user base. However, the current limitations significantly impact my creative process and professional workflow, particularly when it comes to editing backgrounds for nude or semi-nude images. These restrictions not only prolong my work but also inhibit my artistic expression, compelling me to seek alternative solutions that may not offer the same level of quality and integration as Adobe’s products.

I propose the consideration of the following points, which I believe could benefit both Adobe and its professional users:

Artistic Integrity and Professional Use: Recognition of the professional and artistic context in which tools are used can help differentiate between content that is genuinely creative and that which the restrictions aim to prevent.

Ethical Use Policy: An ethical use policy that accommodates professional artists and photographers, possibly through a verification process, ensuring that our work is not unduly censored while maintaining legal and ethical standards.

Custom Solutions for Professionals: The development of specialized software versions that allow more flexibility for editing sensitive content, with appropriate safeguards to prevent misuse.

Feedback and Advisory Panel: Establishing a panel of professionals from the art and photography community to provide ongoing feedback and insights on how Adobe’s tools can better serve creative professionals.

Transparent Guidelines: The creation of clear, transparent guidelines that navigate the legal and ethical landscape, especially regarding sensitive content, to ensure users can understand and comply with Adobe’s policies.

I am fully committed to engaging in a constructive dialogue and am willing to be part of a solution that respects both the creative needs of artists and the ethical considerations of digital content. I believe that by working together, we can find a balanced approach that supports artistic expression while adhering to shared values and responsibilities.

Thank you for considering my perspective on this matter. I am hopeful for an opportunity to discuss this further and explore how we can make Adobe’s tools even more inclusive and accommodating for professional artists and photographers.    Steven Williams 

[hectorblg]

Just fed up by working with generative fill. I've passed through "fist", "water explosion", "cartoon explosion", then through "pheromones", "gas", "psychodelic", also through "steam". Everytime SCOLDED by Adobe because I'm going against their moral standards, probably created by some scared people who are offended by fists; pheromones, pyschodelic, steam, gas. I posted about this once, and got lectured from a forum staff for saying it's not censorship. Well, maybe let's call it another way, plenty of inoffensive stuff you may imagine goes against Adobe's guidelines. Adobe should be honest when they make advertisment for Generative Fill, just don't lie to potential customers saying you will be able to CREATE ANYTHING. At least put some "little letters" saying you when you try to create something, you must stick to some undefined, illogical and very, VERY strict guidelines. I know that some will say "don't trust AI", do it the "old way". Well, I precisely bought Adobe creative cloud because I'm not a designer or visual artist, I'm just a pro musician working on a big personal project, a sci-fi visual novel with DAZ3d to make my images, and who naively believed photoshop would help me to speed the process to add effects, create backgrounds, and stuff like this, because of it's "advanced" AI generative fill. Such a big disappointment. Another thing Adobe should add in their advertisment is "ONLY SUITABLE for MARKETING, and ADVERTISEMENT IMAGES, DON'T TRY IT if you want to CREATE COMICS, VISUAL NOVELS, OR FREELY ARTISTIC STUFF". Sorry for my rant.

[AxelMatt]

This is the wrong place for this. That's a public forum, not the link to Adobe support. Please click the link below to contact Adobe staff to help. Only they can configure the exclution list of the "Generative Fill" function.

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https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html

[c.pfaffenbichler]

»just don't lie to potential customers saying you will be able to CREATE ANYTHING.«

Please post a link to the actual menadcious advertisment/s you are referring to. 

»got lectured from a forum staff for saying it's not censorship. «

Feature Requests (Idea) and Bug Reports are registered at Adobe, otherwise this is essentially a user Forum, though thankfully some Adobe employees do occasionally chime in.

So unless you are referring to someone specifically marked as an Adobe employee the term »staff« would be nonsensical. 

[D Fosse]

I'm sure that when you think about it, you realize what a massive potential for destruction and damage this has in the wrong hands. It doesn't take much imagination. Just think about it for a second. As a responsible operator in this business, their guidelines are the strict minimum.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

»just don't lie to potential customers saying you will be able to CREATE ANYTHING.«

@hectorblg , when and where did Adobe representatives make that »create anything«-claim with regard to Firefly and/or Generative Fill? 

I don’t follow all Adobe announcements and publicity releases so I may have missed it even if it was ever made. 

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@hectorblg the terms are very well defined and you agreed to them when you click the initial screen when using any Firefly AI enabled feature:

https://www.adobe.com/legal/licenses-terms/adobe-gen-ai-user-guidelines.html

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

Note: Moved to Adobe Firefly forum. This is not a Photoshop-specific topic. Firefly terms apply to all tools and "censoring".

[Michael39071337soxw]

pouraais y avoir une ia qui ddetecter le corp humain et la vrais nudité mais asser intelligente pour pouvoir y aajouter une simple riviere en bas de la photo qui est un simple boudoir respectueux a limite bloquer des mot pour les boudoire comme en rapport avec vetement ou nue ou peuix importe mais quand cest marquer riviere de pas bloquer ca serais quandd meme utile

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Michael39071337soxw you could temporarily mask or cover the areas the AI is hung up on to add your river etc. then unmask/restore those layers.

[Michael39071337soxw]

Do you have a tutorial to hide the person as you just told me because I don't think I know how to do it 😕

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

There was a discussion on how to do this earlier in this thread.

[JeffBritto]

Eu pago essa [cursing removed] de programas da Adobe para editar minhas fotos de conteúdo adulto. E essa [cursing removed] de programa conservador do [removed by moderator] não quer deixar eu subir minhas fotos. Pago quase 300,00 por mês e não tenho direito de usar como quero. Nem tem como cancelar o contrato com a Adobe 

[c.pfaffenbichler]

@Othniel_Ontimo0855 , what is the problem? 

[Atanu487]

Yes right I agree to you.Adobe should remove their hard restriction.

[hectorblg]

Just think about it, for the massive advances of AI where now they can even fully describe and identify where you are in a video. It could just analyze what you ask, analyze the resulting image and block things that are really harmful. Just THINK for a second that Adobe is a super powerful corporation that could get this FAR BETTER. There are TONS of image creators, from lesser companies with NO RESTRICTIONS and NOBODY HAS BEEN HARMED (except for some celebrities outraged from getting some deep fakes), just THINK it for a second. And finally, the onw that enrages me the most is ADOBE is LYING with "CREATE ANYTHING!" without warning potential customers that there are severe strict guidelines for its use. Why do you want to justify the dishonest ways of this big corporation? Unless you work for them, just THINK it for a second.

[hectorblg]

I see a new advertisment popping every day at Facebook and X.

[Monika Gause]

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@hectorblg  schrieb:

NOBODY HAS BEEN HARMED (except for some celebrities outraged from getting some deep fakes), 

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So you think no harm is done when the public is being lied to using deep fakes? Just think again.

As for "Create anything". Well, you can do that. You can still take a digital brush in Photoshop and draw it. Nobody can keep you from doing it. Just practice and then do it. No big deal actually.

[daniellei4510]

" And finally, the onw that enrages me the most is ADOBE is LYING with "CREATE ANYTHING!" without warning potential customers that there are severe strict guidelines for its use."

It's called hyperbole and there is room for it in advertising up to a point. Someone tried to sue Buffalo Wild Wings because buffalos don't have wings, nor do they serve buffalo meat. But they do sell hot dogs that don't contain dog meat and hamburgers that don't contain ham.

[jane-e]

because buffalos don't have wings, nor do they serve buffalo meat.

By @daniellei4510

Haha! Buffalo is the name of the town in upstate New York that is famous for its chicken wings — which are named after the town where they were created.

Jane

[D Fosse]

 just THINK it for a second.

By @hectorblg

Well, someone apparently has to.

When I said "potential for damage", I didn't expect that I would need to spell it out. Have you heard about fake nude pictures circulating on the internet? No? There are schoolkids who have had their whole life wrecked by this. Do you think that nobody has been harmed? Kids can be cruel, and they don't think. So someone has to do it for them.

That's just one example.

[DazzlingVastness]

You might be missing a point here. 

Generative Fill does not work locally. 

Stuff gets transferred to Adobe servers. 

Stuff on Adobe servers can pose a legal problem for Adobe. 

Stuff on your computer is, if at all, your problem. 

Edit: Admittedly even stuff you do on your computer with Photoshop is subject to some limitations (though work-arounds exist), as you may have noticed if you ever edited images of banknotes. 

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/cds.html

By @c.pfaffenbichler

I'm coming back around to this as I had a realization not long ago. The realization was that this actually doesn't make sense. And Lightroom storing images on Adobe's cloud server is the reason it doesn't make sense. For a time I was editing all of my photos using Lightroom on an iPad. All of the photos I would edit, which included lots of nudes were stored on Adobe's server with no problem at all. 

So, now I'm back to square one with not understanding the reasoning behind generative fill's censorship. 

[defaultvl18bu4xrc7f]

It's ironic that at the opposite end of this generative scene are sites like [site names removed] whose engnines specifically operate to disrobe images [removed]. Somewhere in between there must be space for this model to work.

In creating this post I had to change the word for take away and the word for garments to "disrobe" because than phrase was not allowed in this forum.  Where are the thought police when you don't need them?

[dirk_1865]

In some regions even showing a woman is taboo. In other regions music is taboo. If Adobes "artificial intelligence" isn't capable of avoiding misuse in this field it seems not to be that intelligent. There is a huge difference between removing an unwanted shadow from a skirt/bikini/lingerie or strip someone naked, isn't there? At least such differences an AI should register. Yes, I know the AI guidelines. But they are far from reality and an obstacle for tens of thousands of users.

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[Monika Gause]

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@dirk_1865  schrieb:

removing an unwanted shadow from a skirt/bikini/lingerie  

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And what role does Firefly play in that kind of task?

[dirk_1865]

It's not about creating nudity but about working with material containing nudidity. A huge difference.