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August 26, 2022
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Nudity and other issues which appear to violate Adobe Generative AI Guidelines [merged thread]

  • August 26, 2022
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Hello Adobe and its collective users

I am writing to you not only as a devoted user of Adobe’s suite of creative tools but also as a professional photographer whose work has been recognized and displayed in museum settings. My specialization in classic nudes has allowed me to explore the human form in a manner that celebrates beauty, form, and artistic expression. However, I have encountered a significant challenge with the AI restrictions placed on editing images that contain nudity, even when such images are created within a professional, artistic context.

 

As an artist whose work often involves nuanced and sensitive subjects, I understand and respect the complexities of creating ethical AI tools that serve a wide user base. However, the current limitations significantly impact my creative process and professional workflow, particularly when it comes to editing backgrounds for nude or semi-nude images. These restrictions not only prolong my work but also inhibit my artistic expression, compelling me to seek alternative solutions that may not offer the same level of quality and integration as Adobe’s products.

 

I propose the consideration of the following points, which I believe could benefit both Adobe and its professional users:

 

Artistic Integrity and Professional Use: Recognition of the professional and artistic context in which tools are used can help differentiate between content that is genuinely creative and that which the restrictions aim to prevent.

 

Ethical Use Policy: An ethical use policy that accommodates professional artists and photographers, possibly through a verification process, ensuring that our work is not unduly censored while maintaining legal and ethical standards.

 

Custom Solutions for Professionals: The development of specialized software versions that allow more flexibility for editing sensitive content, with appropriate safeguards to prevent misuse.

 

Feedback and Advisory Panel: Establishing a panel of professionals from the art and photography community to provide ongoing feedback and insights on how Adobe’s tools can better serve creative professionals.

 

Transparent Guidelines: The creation of clear, transparent guidelines that navigate the legal and ethical landscape, especially regarding sensitive content, to ensure users can understand and comply with Adobe’s policies.

 

I am fully committed to engaging in a constructive dialogue and am willing to be part of a solution that respects both the creative needs of artists and the ethical considerations of digital content. I believe that by working together, we can find a balanced approach that supports artistic expression while adhering to shared values and responsibilities.

 

Thank you for considering my perspective on this matter. I am hopeful for an opportunity to discuss this further and explore how we can make Adobe’s tools even more inclusive and accommodating for professional artists and photographers.    Steven Williams 

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daniellei4510
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 20, 2024

I can recall only two or three times I've had issues with female models wearing t-shirts, having bare legs, etc. And the problems were solved by slightly changing the shape of my selection. The one time I've had a consistent issue was when I was trying to COVER UP breasts that were exposed due to a very plunging neckline of a jacket, rather than exposing them even more. The fix? Liquify. Sometimes the tried and true tools do the job as well as or better than generative fill. 

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Inspiring
December 20, 2024

I've edited literally hundreds of model photos over the last year. One thing I can tell you for 100% certain: the models don't need to be remotely nude. What triggers the error is: 1) the model is female, not male; 2) there is any skin showing (e.g. arms, or legs). Face showing is fine, we're not at the point where we can only edit photos of women with faces covered, but I would say in 10% of the time I get the error it is with a model who is fully clothed, but wearing a t-shirt and shorts for instance.

 

Only happens with female models, not male.

 

90% of my use is extending the background. I don't take the photos. I sometimes plan the poses and shoots, but I'm not the photographer. Often I get a great photo, but there's not enough space around the model for all the social media crops we do (1x1, 7x8, 9x16 etc) so I need to extend the background. I can get around it often by cutting out the model, extending, and putting the back together. I shouldn't have to do this.

droopydog500
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December 20, 2024
Please refrain from engaging in commentary that questions the motives of other participants or that digresses from the central topic. Let's maintain a focused discussion relevant to the subject matter. To ensure this forum remains a safe and welcoming environment for productive dialogue regarding Adobe products, kindly adhere to the Adobe Community Guidelines.

 

    droopy

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daniellei4510
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December 20, 2024

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Participating Frequently
December 20, 2024

You sound like a really nice person. LOL

 

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daniellei4510
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Community Expert
December 20, 2024

"What are you talking about? I literally just rendered a pig in a shower or taking a bath with no problem in MidJourney. Its not banned at all."

 

I don't care what you got, I know what I got and it was banned. That's what I'm talking about. Why would I make it up?

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Monika Gause
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December 20, 2024

"my workflow of glamour shots where we want to remove wires, backdrops, extend the background, etc."

 

What kind of glamour shot is that where you have a mess in the background?

On top of that: cleaning up a background can be done properly with Sensei based tools.

"people can use it for nefarious purposes already, and have been for decades. "

 

When using plain vanilla Photoshop you need actual skills. With Gen AI the sheer amount of harm rises because anyone with a bad intent is suddenly able to hurt others.

Participating Frequently
December 20, 2024

"Welcome to AI. I tried to create an image of a pig in a shower or a pig taking a bath and both attempts were banned in Midjourney. Adobe created it with no issues."

What are you talking about? I literally just rendered a pig in a shower or taking a bath with no problem in MidJourney. Its not banned at all.

And again, no one is asking for the AI to generate nudes. We're asking for the AI to do "background extends" or "content removals" of photos that might have nudity or not, even lingerie and glamour shots are forbidden to use GenAI.

Participating Frequently
December 20, 2024

"You're missing the point. For one thing, it's not "nude art". You didn't make it, an algorithm did. It doesn't qualify as art."

No, YOU are missing the point. We're not asking for the AI to generate "nude art" for us. We have photoshoots where nudity doesnt even exist... just some skin, a girl in a bikini or lingerie...or even a model in an off the shoulder sweater. The Gen AI is basically useless for my workflow of glamour shots where we want to remove wires, backdrops, extend the background, etc.

"But more critically - you do realize that this is used to bully schoolkids to the brink of disaster? (No, I'm not spelling that out, I'm sure you can imagine)."

What evil intent someone chooses to do with software shouldnt dictate whether something is available or not. If that is the case, Adobe should discontinue Photoshop outright since people can use it for nefarious purposes already, and have been for decades. Thats not how a free society functions, we dont limit the masses for the actions of a few criminals.

daniellei4510
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 20, 2024

Welcome to AI. I tried to create an image of a pig in a shower or a pig taking a bath and both attempts were banned in Midjourney. Adobe created it with no issues. Live with it. I photographed nudes for 25 years and I have no issue whatsoever if Adobe bans it in Firefly.

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