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#SockPuppetProblems (I/O Buffer Size)

New Here ,
Mar 17, 2017 Mar 17, 2017

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Hello Ladies and Gentleman,

   

     I hope my monologue finds you in good spirits. If you are an experienced Adobe Audition (or just audio) expert, please, hunker down, grab a coffee and come with me. I'm just going to basically vomit a bunch of random information and then be like, "Oh my, what do I do now?"

I'm part of a company of players who are in process of completing a sock puppet play video. It's very adult, I assure you, there are deaths and romance and drugs. During the course of production, since we do not work out of a big studio, we work out of someone's home, we have suffered two major production events. Setbacks, or rather, challenges, if you will. We know that in an ideal world, all audio should be recorded in the same studio environment, on the same computer, using the same settings, and that importing/exporting and moving around can alter the texture of sound in infinite ways. But here we are.

First Problem: We recorded in two studios, and additionally, one of the microphones (a BLUE Yeti Pro USB) was set half of the time to mono, and half the time to stereo. In the original DAC we were using, Mixcraft Home Studio 7, we were able to take some of the mono files and triplicate the track, applying two tracks of quiet subtle reverb effects, one panned all the way to the left and one panned all the way to the right, along with normalization on the original track, which produced a similar sound to what the other studio environment sounded like. But now, as we are starting to mix to video using Adobe Audition CC 2017 with 5.1 surround sound, we actually think that for all characters except the narrator, mono sound actually is more realistic and appropriate to the scenes. IS THERE A FILTER PRESET THAT CAN BE EASILY APPLIED TO CONVERT ALL THE STEREO DIAGLOGUE INTO MONO, THAT WILL STILL ALLOW ME LATER TO PAN AS I SEE FIT IN 5.1 ONCE THE VIDEO IS DONE?

Second Problem: The computer we had all the data on, was wiped clean and reverted back to Windows 8 from Windows 10. Although all the files were on an external hard drive, the software on the computer had to be re downloaed and lost all of it's preferences and settings. I'm mixing all stems down so I can bring them to Adobe Audition. Here's my mixcraft:

When I adjust these settings at all, whether lowering the buffers or switching to CoreAudio WaveRT mode, if I play the audio it sounds terribly slow and distorted. But it will play just fine with these settings.

I just want to bring the stems over and for all future editing and mastering use Adobe Audition CC 2017. I just completed a five hour beginners course on Lynda.com on it, but I'm still learning as I go. I'm willing to watch pretty much any videos though to learn whatever I need to learn to finish. It's a long project but I want to know all this stuff for future projects.

so here's my issue: WHEN I UPLOAD THE STEMS INTO AN ADOBE AUDITION MULTITRACK FILE I GET THE SAME TERRIBLE DISTORTION UNLESS THE FILES ARE SET TO EXACTLY THE SAME SETTINGS (ASIO, 48K, 2048 BUFFER SIZE) WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE I CAN EDIT AND MASTER EVERYTHING IN ADOBE. BUT I'M AFRAID THAT THIS HIGH BUFFER SETTING IS GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS IF I HAVE TO DO ANY RE-RECORDING OF LINES. I FEEL LIKE WHEN I WAS RECORDING BEFORE IN MIXCRAFT I NEEDED A MUCH LOWER BUFFER SETTING TO GET THE LATENCY LOW ENOUGH SO THAT THE ACTOR COULD HEAR THEMSELVES IN REAL TIME IN THE HEADPHONES. THE LONG DELAY IN MONTIORED AUDIO DISRUPTS SOME OF THE ACTRESSES AND ITS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO RECORD QUALITY PERFORMANCES TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THEMSELVES IN THE HEADPHONES. IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH A BUFFER SIZE I/O OF 2048? IS THAT GOING TO GIVE ME PROBLEMS LATER? IS THERE A WAY TO REDUCE LATENCY IF I NEED TO TROUBLE SHOOT WHEN I START RECORDING WITHOUT DESCTRUCTIVELY EDITING THE PROJECT FILES AND STEMS? here's my interface in Adobe Audition CC 2017.

Some please help me to understand this stuff.

Sincerely,

Newcomer Sarah

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People's Champ ,
Mar 17, 2017 Mar 17, 2017

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I'll try to answer at least some of those questions.

First off, converting stereo to mono is easy.  Open the file you want to change and select Edit/Convert Sample type on the main menu bar.  This will bring up a menu that lets you change lots of options...one will be switching between stereo and mono.

Simple panning is very easy--in a multitrack session there will be a pan knob in the control box at the left hand end of each track.  Or, if you want to vary the panning during the mixing, there's a facility called "Pan Envelope".  It's the fine blue line down the centre of each track...if you click on it you can create pan markers and drag these to move the panning around as you want it.

I can only guess at the distortion but it might be you've set up a multitrack session at a different sample rate or bit depth than the original material.  It's worth checking that.  FYI, the Yeti forces you to work at a sample rate of 48,000 Hz (see below) but chances are if you didn't adjust the setting on the New Multitrack Session menu, it's likely at 44,100.  The same menu that converts stereo to mono also lets you control Sample rate and bit depth.

Finally, looking at the Audition screen grab it looks to me like the Yeti ASIO drivers can only work at those latency settings.  With most set ups the Buffer Size and Sample Rate can be adjusted and aren't greyed out like that.  However, the good news is that, according to their blurb, the Yeti will allow you to plug your headphones into the mic and monitor your voice without the round trip via the computer.

Hope this helps at least a little.  I'm now off to try and visualise an adult sock puppet video. 

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New Here ,
Mar 17, 2017 Mar 17, 2017

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Thank you for making a valiant attempt to answer a vague question(s). I will probably end up converting much of the dialogue to mono.

I am able to change the latency and buffer settings by clicking on the settings button, which opens the device driver. I actually think the default setting of the device is 44.1 k. I have the device set to that as well as the project preferences. And for what it appears the stems are all mixed that way too.

Im going to test recording and repost to let you know.

PS to help you visualize, all the socks are recovering alcoholics and they are full of it.

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People's Champ ,
Mar 18, 2017 Mar 18, 2017

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Do let us know how you get on!

...and I'm glad I asked but I'm not sure this helps my visualisation!

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Mar 20, 2017 Mar 20, 2017

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The CoreAudio (Wave RT) driver might correspond to the WASAPI (instead of ASIO) option in Audition. So it may be worth giving that a try as well if you can get the Yeti to show up.

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New Here ,
Mar 23, 2017 Mar 23, 2017

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Hey i need some help myself , im running on adobe audition 3 , i can get any info anyone needs but i cant get my mic to record on beat what so ever , i e tried everything i need to know what the issue is exactly so i can fix this

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New Here ,
Mar 23, 2017 Mar 23, 2017

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Apparently i cant even try auditio  cc , my computer is fast and gteat hardware in it , if someone can email me at villian91@gmail.com to help me please , youd be the real mvp

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LEGEND ,
Mar 24, 2017 Mar 24, 2017

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Audition CC needs a 64 bit operating system to run which, presumably, your computer doesn't.

Yes, more details needed about your system in order to help. What operating system and what audio hardware are you using to connect your mic?

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New Here ,
Mar 24, 2017 Mar 24, 2017

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I am running with a lenovo h535 , now ive had adobe audition 3 , but its recording late and cant get it to record on beat , but yea i tried to download free trial to audition cc and it says i was missing a windows pack but again , i feel my pc is able to run this software no problem , the computer is a monster , if i can have someone even screen monitor my pc and try it them selfs id gladly do that , but cn i get a personal email from someone if they feel they can help , maybe speed this up ,

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LEGEND ,
Mar 24, 2017 Mar 24, 2017

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The problem with recording out of time is down to what is called 'latency'. Your computer may be a 'monster' but for us to be any help with this we need to know a bit more about it and what audio interface you are using with which type of audio drivers?

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New Here ,
Mar 24, 2017 Mar 24, 2017

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Just a line in from a single tube mono preamp with xlr adapter , mxl 550 mic , dont quote my monster ass computer lol i enjoy the speed which is why i know its just something in these settings , ive recorded on slower pcs with no latency and now i get a decent computer , set it all to performance needed , turned down resolution on screen , ive done everything

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People's Champ ,
Mar 24, 2017 Mar 24, 2017

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Well, you haven't yet told us what version of Window's you're running.  As ryclark says, you have to have a 64 bit operating system to run any version of Audition from the past several years.

Second, you haven't told us what audio interface/sound card you have.  If saying the you plug in to the line in on your computer, this means you're using the inbuilt sound chip which is NOT meant for any serious recording.  It also means you're using MME drivers which are part of Windows and can introduce huge latency.

Even a fairly basic external USB sound card will allow you to use ASIO drivers.  These are designed to bypass most of the Windows system that causes delays.  Even more, it can provide timing information for programmes like Audition to use to synchronise your new track with prerecorded stuff.  Finally, any decent interface will provide direct hardware monitoring which lets you listen to your mic before it even goes to your computer.

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New Here ,
Mar 25, 2017 Mar 25, 2017

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What do ya suggest , usb over the line in? Sry bout the lack of info , i actually have two line ins on the lenovo h535 computer i can plug into , and im running windows 8.1 , not a fan of it really im guessin i should get a copy of windows 7 instead i feel ,

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Mar 25, 2017 Mar 25, 2017

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There are a few reasons to suggest a specialist external audio interface (USB).

First, since your problem is with latency, virtually all of these will let you work with a special kind of device driver called ASIO.  This is designed to give the lowest possible latency.  Built in sound chips work with the basic Windows drivers (MME) which means they are subject to all the delays that Windows can cause.

However there are a couple of other advantages.  First, even pretty basic interfaces allow "Direct Hardware Monitoring" which allows you to hear your voice (or whatever) live without the round trip via the computer.  The ASIO drivers cleverly send messages to Audition to allow it to make sure the pre recorded tracks remain in sync with the new stuff.

And last, you'll hear a vast improvement in quality  The built in sound chips are designed mainly for basic gaming, Youtube videos and Skype calls.  High quality recording is not one of the strong points.

There are tons of interfaces at the entry level that would do all this--I have personal experience with the Alesis i02 which sells for about  $100 but there are tons of others.

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New Here ,
Mar 25, 2017 Mar 25, 2017

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Think i need a new interface , i downloaded the asio4all driver but no difference , still late , im running wit a single tube nady 1 pre amp , it used to run on time guess its jus old

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Mar 25, 2017 Mar 25, 2017

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Asio4All isn't actually a driver--it's a wrapper that makes MME drivers look like ASIO to sound programmes like Audition.  I can give you a bit more control but it doesn't fix the latency issues.

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Nice , believe me , youve inspired me to leap torwards a new interface , i feel ive tried it all to get it on time

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