Unable to delete identical but re-assigned child-keyword

[step31519705xkxe]

Bridge V13.02

Hi everybody,

apologize, if the topic has already been discussed.

I want so re-assign a child-keyword from an old parent-keyword to a new parent-keyword and then delete the old parent-keyword with it's child-keyword.

What did I do?

1st try: Created the new parent-keyword (not identical with old parent-keywod) with the (identical) child-keyword and assigned both to all images. Result: old and new parent-keyword with tehir (identical) child-keywords activated. When de-selecting the old child- and parent-keyword in the keyword panel the (identical) new child-keyword de-selected automatically as well. OK, this approach didn't work.

2nd try: Created the new parent-keyword and the new but slightly altered child-keyword (added a # ). Then same procedure as above. Then I deactivated the old parent- and child-keyword from all images. Then I deleted old parent- and child-keyword from keyword panel. So far, so good. But when renaming Then I renamed the newly assigned but slightly altered child-keyword (removed the #). Result: the old parent-keyword and it's child-keyword reappeared in italics, although they've been deleted.

My conclusion so far: if a certain child-keyword has been assigned it cannot be used/shifted with/to another parent-keyword. It will always exist and show up in italics at the former location - if it's identical.

True or false? Thanks very much for your help.

Martin 

[gregreser · Accepted solution]

A certain child-keyword can be moved to another parent, but it's tricky.

I think the problem is that when you edit keywords in the Keyword Panel, it is saving those values in two places: IPTC Core keywords (dc:subject) and Lightroom Hierarchical Subject (<lr:hierarchicalSubject>). Bridge is trying to keep these two fields synchronized, which can lead to problems like the one you are experiencing.

Also, there are some deficiencies in this syncing. For example, when you edit keywords in the metadata panel IPTC Core section, Bridge does not update the <lr:hierarchicalSubject>. This might be the reason why keywords you thought were deleted reappear. Another thing is that when you have duplicate child-keywords under different parents, the IPTC Core keywords contains both parents, but only one of the duplicate child-keywords. It seems that Bridge is working behind the scene to manage the keywords in both locations but in doing so, it makes it difficult to edit the duplicates in <lr:hierarchicalSubject>.

On your 2nd try, did you remove "#" from the child-keyword using the metadata panel IPTC Core? If so, that only removed it from <dc:subject> but not <lr:hierarchicalSubject>

Try this:

1. Create the new parent-keyword and the new child-keyword with # and select both.
2. De-select the old child and parent-keyword and delete both.
3. In the new parent-keyword, create an new child-keyword using the old value (without #) and select it.
4. De-select the child-keyword with # and delete it.

[robirdman1]

This is proving overwhelming for me because I have a phylogenetic heirarchy of nested keywords. I had the format such as   " Latin name (COMMON NAME) " for most families. I started changing this to " Latin name, COMMON NAME " so that it would import into the correct format for keywords on my website.  But because of the parents and children, this created duplicates at many levels.  I was working on Flies for example. 

There may be a structure such as Arthopods>Insects>Diptera, FLIES>Aschiza>Syrphidae (HOVER FLIES)>Brachinopini>Brachyopini. 7 levels of keywords. After reading this, I changed one fly family without childen to the comma family, and this created a new level of duplicates, which I deletes,  I renamed the parent "Aschiza" and this created a duplicate of the old, Aschiza, which has all the fly families under it duplicated. There is already a duplicate Diptera, and another, Diptera (FLIES). I was wondering about how many levels I have to do, and then there are all these other Orders, such as Beetles, Lepidoptera, etc, all under Arthropods with over 150,000 files, which I'm pretty sure Bridge can't hold at once and so I at a loss how to proceed without creating more and more duplicates from what was once extremely well organized.

[step31519705xkxe]

Hi Gregreser

thanks for quick reply. Ok, "tricky", that's comfort to me.

I do not use LR, but Bridge with PS/ACR.

In my 2nd try I renamed/ removed the # within the keyword panel, not in the metadata panel.

And yes!! I followed your recommendation, and it seems to work for the moment. Will re-structure the rest of my keywords and keep fingers crossed...

THANKS FOR QUICK HELP!

Martin 

[gregreser]

Great, I'm glad that worked.

Yes, the tricky part is that Bridge also uses Lightroom keywords but it deosn't tell you that or let you see/edit them independantly.

[gregreser]

If this works, can you please mark it as the correct answer? That will let other people know what the solution was.

[step31519705xkxe]

Done!

Thanks.