P: New Camera Raw File Support - Requests & Information

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

For a complete overview of camera support in Photoshop and Lightroom, visit the following article:

Why doesn't my version of Photoshop or Lightroom support my camera?

1. Make sure your version of Photoshop or Lightroom is updated for the latest camera support.
2. If you own an older version of Photoshop or Lightroom, Adobe provides backward compatibility for the latest cameras through the FREE Adobe DNG Converter.

Note: ETAs for specific cameras are not available. 

[johnrellis]

"when can we expect the update that we can import the RAW files of the new Sony A7RV in Lightroom Classic?"

According to dpreview.com, the A7R V will be released sometime in December.

Support for a new camera from a leading manufacturer typically comes in the LR release following the release of the camera or, less frequently, the second following release.  A new version of LR comes out about every 8 weeks, so we might expect to see LR 12.1 mid-December. (I have no inside information on this, and Adobe never announces such things ahead of time.)

Meanwhile, you can use Sony's software to convert raws to TIFFs and import those into LR.

[Conrad.Leung]

A7RV has been released a week ago~

[johnrellis]

In the US (where Adobe is based), Amazon says the item will be released on December 6, Adorama says "Manufacturer will start shipping this item on 12/06/2022", and B&H Photo says "Est.Ship Date: Tue Dec 6". 

[Conrad.Leung]

Which means if in US A7r5 release in 2024, all owner have to wait til 2024 because of Adobe is based in US?

[TheDigitalDog]

No, that isn't what it means. The correct answers to WHY you have to wait on Adobe support camera (and perhaps other companies) are outlined above and many times since. 

The delay is due to (in this case) Sony. And Sony, Nikon, Canon etc will do this all over again when they produce their next camera and their unnecessary proprietary raws. 

[defaultyy1u0fd2w6zy]

IridientXTransformerSetup_270_x64

It is a paid software but it is the only one that converts SONY A7RV a DNG today  

[TheDigitalDog]

IridientXTransformerSetup_270_x64

What flavor of DNG; linear, lossless?? Not all DNG's are the same (or as 'raw').

[Jao vdL]

From the website:

"Iridient S-Transformer is a cross platform, macOS and Windows, Sony ARW/ARQ to DNG conversion utility that shares much of its high quality RAW processing pipeline with Iridient Developer. Key processing stages that can be applied during the DNG conversion include RAW interpolation (demosaic), pixel shift processing, sharpening, noise reduction and automatic lens corrections. S-Transformer provides some of the high quality, early stage RAW processing algorithms from Iridient Developer in simple, easy to use utility that can be combined with existing photo workflow programs like Lightroom to quickly improve RAW image quality."

This implies that it is demosaiced so probably linear. 

[TheDigitalDog]

It IS linear DNG. I knew this when I asked a rhetorical question (I use Iridient Developer from time to time). It's important for some to examine this “fix” and not assume a DNG is a fully raw iteration*. I can save a JPEG as a DNG; there is nothing raw in that container.

If a user wants a true raw workflow and can't use an Adobe or any other product due to a lack of raw support, the only option is to use the camera manufacturers converter until 3rd party support is established. 

* http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/linear.htm

[deejjjaaaa]

linear and you can select lossy or lossless

[TheDigitalDog]

 

linear and you can select lossy or lossless

By @deejjjaaaa

Too bad 🤔

 

[deejjjaaaa]

that is how it is intended to be ( and original raw files are never intended to be deleted ) to replace ACR/LR demosaick w/ the one that was better ( it all started w/ the mess Adobe had w/ X-Trans CFA ) - all other transformers appeared by popular demand ... plus Iridient products have a lot of other advantages - for example they can extract optics correction information that manufacturers are writing in raw files and put that info (and you can control which tags ) as DNG tags ( or bake it in like DxO does - your choice ) eliminating the need yet again to wait for Adobe to come w/ their own subpart external lens profiles ( you know that Adobe not using full optics correction data supplied in Sony raw files and Canon raw files for example ) ... that much complained Sony 24-70/2.8 mkII optics correction is there in .ARW raw files written by camera's firmware since the very beginning - yet Adobe can't use it ( which brings the question - how come one-man operation like Iridient CAN and fat corp can NOT )

[TheDigitalDog]

that is how it is intended to be ( and original raw files are never intended to be deleted ) to replace ACR/LR demosaick w/ the one that was better ( it all started w/ the mess Adobe had w/ X-Trans CFA ) - all other transformers appeared by popular demand ... plus Iridient products have a lot of other advantages - for example they can extract optics correction information that manufacturers are writing in raw files and put that info (and you can control which tags ) as DNG tags ( or bake it in like DxO does - your choice ) eliminating the need yet again to wait for Adobe to come w/ their own subpart external lens profiles ( you know that Adobe not using full optics correction data supplied in Sony raw files and Canon raw files for example ) ... that much complained Sony 24-70/2.8 mkII optics correction is there in .ARW raw files written by camera's firmware since the very beginning - yet Adobe can't use it ( which brings the question - how come one-man operation like Iridient CAN and fat corp can NOT )

By @deejjjaaaa

"If you want a wise answer, ask a reasonable question." -Johann von Goethe

Ideally without a massive run-on sentence! 

[John Waller]

For the record, Iridient X-Transformer is only for Fujifilm cameras.

Iridient S-Transformer is for Sony cameras.

[brido64447750]

Purchased new Sony a7rv and still waiting on Adobe to update to allow editing of RAW images.... anyone any idea how long it will take developers to update the software???

Adobe have sent me the link for DNG workaround but rather not install another thing to my laptop. 
Have used camera few times and frustrating not being able to edit photos 😬

[johnrellis]

Support for a new camera from a leading manufacturer typically comes in the LR release following the release of the camera or, less frequently, the second following release.  A new version of LR comes out about every 8 weeks, so we might expect to see LR 12.1 mid-December. (I have no inside information on this, and Adobe never announces such things ahead of time.)

Meanwhile, you can use Sony's software to convert raws to TIFFs and import those into LR.

[Scott2021]

Hello

can anyone tell how long Adobe needs for the RAW File Support of the new Sony A7R V in Lightroom Classic?

Thanks

[JohanElzenga]

No. Nobody can tell you this because they either do not know, or they are not allowed to tell you because of their NDA. I understand your impatience, but you will simply have to wait.

[PaulCORE]

Does anyone have a solution for this?  I need to edit files that I took at at event 

[Ian Lyons]

The Sony A7RV isn't supported at this time. Therefore, you need to use Sony's own raw convereter untl Adobe update LrC/Camera Raw to support the A7RV.

[mark272642702fxd]

search back a couple of pages. I have posted a workaround multiple times. using exiftool you can change the exif data to fool lightroom into thinking its a7r4

[evelinet438887]

I own an Alpha 7RV.

LR is not able to read the files of this camera.

When can we get the file for this camera?

Cheers!

[GoldingD]

What is your exact Lightroom Classic version? Current release  is v12.0.1

and see:

Cameras supported by Camera Raw | Adobe

That document states that you need at least LrC v8.4.1

I see I was in error.

[evelinet438887]

I have the version 12.0.1 running on my computer!

It's the latest one, guess!!

My system is still on track for updates.

@ John Weller

What do you mean with "Sony's own converter"?

Should I convert the files in a DNG?

[TheDigitalDog]

John is suggesting you use the raw converter Sony provided with your new camera at least until Adobe support this new (unnecessary proprietary) raw. The DNG converter, like ACR and LR do not yet support that new and unnecessary proprietary raw. In this case, Sony forces you to use their software to process your raws, your data (unlike the JPEG which is also your data).

And yes, John is correct about the FREE software to convert the unnecessary proprietary raws when it also gets updated: Adobe DNG converter. After, you can use in older versions of ACR/LR, illustrating the fact that Adobe doesn't force customers to upgrade solely due to unnecessary proprietary raws from camera makers.