P: Support for Canon .CR3 Camera-matching Profiles

[DNPhoto]

There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format... making it difficult to get work done. Only slightly surprised that this wasnt planned for beforehand since there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS.

[TheDigitalDog]

specifically the pro bodies like the r5, etc

Specifically the Canon EOS R5? 

What profiles are missing below? 

EOS R5 picture styles:

[thomasp3495949]

Get a life man LOL I should preface  my post with please if anyone other than Andrew has something to say 🙂

[TheDigitalDog]

help adobe get newer canons to have profiles through petitioning the mfg or what ever would help, specifically the pro bodies like the r5, etc

So those are not the profiles you want for a EOS R5???

Which EOS R5 profiles are you looking for????

What r5, etc are you specifically ASKING (again) for????

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

The Adobe profiles are not the same as the Canon profiles. Similar names, vastly different looks. If there are camera specific profiles they're listed under Camera Matching. These are the available profiles for the Canon 5DSR. Hopefully someday, the Canon R5 will also have they're on Camera Matching profiles. Someday. 

[TheDigitalDog]

Here are Color Camera Matching profiles for an EOS R5 (my sample raw):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mdvsca2byfrpc2c/EOSR5DCPs.zip?dl=0

And example of color matching between DPP and LR with one DCP profile and the original raw, DPP is set for a Neutral Picture Style

. 

Process:

Get good capture of MacBeth ColorChecker and if desired other colored items in shot. Example provided earlier.

Create custom DCP profile as base for all others. 

Download DPP and open the raw, select a Color Matching option from dropdown. 

Open raw converted to DNG in DNG Profile Editor, load custom profile. 

Using as many of the 24 patches as you feel necessary, make selective edits to visually match DPP, if necessary, a global curve may be necessary. 

Save (Export) edited custom profile with name for Camera Matching Profile. 

Don't expect a prefect match*, but you (well I) can get darn close. Couple minutes per profile editing depending no your skills. 

PLUS you end up with a custom DCP profile with no edits for that illuminant. 

All software is free. 

YMMV. If your sample of EOS R5 is sensor behavior is close to the one I used here, you'll get close result to mine. But there is a reason some of us always make custom DCP profiles for our cameras instead of using the 'canned' DCP profiles from Adobe. 

*"Have no fear of perfection-you'll never reach it."  -Salvador Dali

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Pretty pretty please!

[davidl67012349]

Yes totally agree! Please give us camera matching profiles for the r5 and r6!! Please please!  

[johnrellis]

Why conversations get merged: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-auto-import-to-folders-orga... 

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Now it happens to xs-10.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

@Rikk Now it happens to xs-10.

[davidl67012349]

Hello! When can we expect camera matching profiles for the Canon EOS R5 and R6 to be available? Thanks! 

[Fishweasel]

Thanks for this post.  I gave up on Adobe supporting the 1DX3 color profile and the Adobe basic profiles are terrible for this particular camera.  I spent the $15 and downloaded the color fidelity profiles.  The CF Standard V3 profile that is included in their package seems pretty accurate and using it has greatly improved my workflow and decreased image editing time trying to color match.  Thanks again... maybe someday we will a camera standard matching profile through Adobe.... but I won't hold my breath.  

[TheDigitalDog]

Just how accurate are they? I'd prefer an average dE using dE 2000 formula if possible. 

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

+1 requesting CR3 Camera Matching profiles in Lightroom, specifically for the Canon R6.  CR3 has been out for more than two years (Canon R released October 2018).  It's hard to believe that the CR3 format is that hard to figure out. 

Please, Adobe and Canon, work this out. 

[TheDigitalDog]

*rob_pennoyer 

It's hard to believe that the CR3 format is that hard to figure out. 

How many proprietary camera raw formats have you decoded?

[DNPhoto]

Oh joy... Andrew is at it again. Must be a really slow evening...

[TheDigitalDog]

Must be a really slow evening...

For you, seems so. And unlike you, no struggle for me making those camera matching profiles. 

[DNPhoto]

Oh, I got it sorted out ;). You've been a dismal help. Please go stroke your internet ego elsewhere. 

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Canon's newer cameras that use CR3 raw format has no "Camera Matching" color profiles available within Lightroom. It makes it very very difficult to work with files at the same time that came from different Canon cameras. Files from my newer cameras that use CR3 format (Canon M50 and R6) behave completely different in Lightroom from the files of my older cameras (1DX, 5D III, 6D). Matching the raw parameters when these older and newer cameras used side by side parallel is a pain.

There is almost perfect transparency when when editing their files in Lihtroom when  i use my older cameras parallel among each other (2 cameras with different lenses on a sport event and the third is a remote camera). But when i try to mix R6 or M50 with the newer ones, colors are completely different. I assume that the reason is that only Adobe color profiles are available. Lightroom sliders also behave/react very differently with the onder and newer cameras and very difficult to match their edited "look" visually.
I assume that if there would be Camera Matching color profiles available, that would solve this issue and it would provide a common editing starting point and common slider/parameter response of their raw between older and newer Canon camera models.

Canon support gave me the information that they provided every neccessary information to Adobe to solve this problem and provide Camera Marching color profiles in Lightroom Classic.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

The missing camermatching-profiles for .cr3 are bugging me a lot as well and I hope Adobe will add more support for newer models soon, as they have promised in another thread.

I found the following link to be handy as it shows whether there are cameramatching profiles available for generally supported Cameras:

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

I use the Canon EOS 250D which came out in April 2019. There are no cameramatching-profiles for it yet and to use the built-in Adobe-profiles is unfortunately no solution as they look horrible in comparison to the camera standard. (way darker, way less vivid - the whole histogram is mal-adjusted)
I searched for a work-around countless hours but I found none. Replicating the original look of the photo, as the camera (and for example FastStoneViewer) show it, in Lightroom Classic is nigh impossible and also a bit different for every single photo.

I found two things to be strange about the whole story:
There are actually cameras with .cr3 format that have nicely working cameramatching profiles in Lightroom, for example the EOS M50. It came out in 2018. This undermines Adobe's statement that the format itself is too complicated.
A free image viewer like FastStone Image Viewer ist totally capable of showing the .cr3 correctly (just like the camera) and exporting it to a .jpg that looks exactly the same. I find it irritating that an expensive program like Lightroom can't do the same.

[johnrellis]

"A free image viewer like FastStone Image Viewer ist totally capable of showing the .cr3 correctly (just like the camera) and exporting it to a .jpg that looks exactly the same."

Faststone is showing you the JPEG preview embedded in the .cr3 by the camera -- it isn't rendering the raw itself.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

That is something I already suspected, having read several threads about the topic when I was looking for a solution 😉
Yet I can edit that .cr3 based on the embedded JPG-preview with Faststone Image Viewer.
But if I get it right that's just like editing a JPG then and doesn't have the quality advantages of editing the RAW in lightroom?

[johnrellis]

"Yet I can edit that .cr3 based on the embedded JPG-preview."

I'm not sure what you're describing. LR only edits the raw data -- Develop ignores the JPEG preview. 

[TheDigitalDog]

To clarify/expand: LR can edit a JPEG but if the document is raw, it edits the raw data not the JPEG preview inside that are. As John states: LR only edits that raw data.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Sorry, I forgot to clarify that I meant editing the .cr3 based on the embedded Jpg-Preview with Faststone Image Viewer.