P: Support for Canon .CR3 Camera-matching Profiles

[DNPhoto]

There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format... making it difficult to get work done. Only slightly surprised that this wasnt planned for beforehand since there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS.

[johnrellis]

As Willie said, they're third-party camera profiles, evidently from colorfidelity.com ($15 each).

[philipc59752869]

Ah, thanks.  I was misreading that.  Thought he meant the third party was the camera vendor rather than a profile vendor.  Is this the team that originally used to make Huelight profiles? I used those with my 5DSR and was reasonably happy with them.  I might try these out...

[johnrellis]

I know nothing about them other than a quick read of their web site.

[philipc59752869]

Yea.  It does look like these are the Huelight profiles.  I'm going to try them out since I had a positive prior experience with them.  I'm sure they will be better than the Adobe profiles.

[RankRotten]

Yes it seems to be the same team previously known as Huelight but now called Color Fidelity. The Medium V2 seems a good match for the in-camera JPEG color rendering and will try it on some jobs today.
Point taken that if a third party can supply these profiles then it shoud be fairly easy for Adobe to offer camera matching profiles for Canon's new cameras?

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Any update on this yet?

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Currently there are no camera matching profiles for the subject camera within Adobe Lightroom Classic.  I was told to request it here.  Please update.

Thank you!

[carlitosmg]

There is now support for the R5 and R6 CR3 raw format in the latest Camera Raw. 

Still no camera matching profiles for any Canon camera that was released after the EOS R. 😞

I actually ENJOY spending my time in Lightroom (mobile and classic). it'd be fantastic if I could keep my workflow 100% within lightroom with Adobe provided profiles AND still have a good baseline look that matches what the Canon cameras produce in their JPGs. 

(and yes, I know I can build my own profiles.....)

[TheDigitalDog]

Or use the Calibration pane to alter the existing profile for maybe a better match to a camera JPEG which is a non subjective rendering by a ”machine”.

[TheDigitalDog]

Or use the Calibration pane to alter the existing profile for maybe a better match to a camera JPEG which is a non subjective rendering by a ”machine”.

[DNPhoto]

Lol it boggles the mind that there's support for the R5 and R6 but not the 1Dx MkIII... the flagship pro body... i was excited for the update this week until I saw it didnt add any camera profiles for that... yet again...

[TheDigitalDog]

I suppose what Adobe has posted for a long time needs repeating again:

” Support for a particular flavor of a camera’s raw file does not necessarily mean that there will be Camera Matching profiles for that camera at the time of raw file support. It is normal for Camera Matching profiles to follow raw support by one or two releases. In the case of some camera manufacturers or the event of major changes by a particular manufacturer, that time may be greatly increased.

Note: Not all cameras will ever receive a set of Camera Matching profiles. ”

The last sentence is key to read and accept.

[RankRotten]

1DX Mk3 shares the same Adobe support as the R5 and R6. No camera matching profiles for any of the new Canon cameras

[DNPhoto]

Also still strange since they've supported every other 1Dx body up until now and I was told directly by Adobe personel that there WOULD be support for it... possibly within 90 days... in February... and they still maintain that stance.

[TheDigitalDog]

Which Adobe personal made such a promise?

[DNPhoto]

Several people that I spoke with at Adobe support.

[TheDigitalDog]

Several people that I spoke with at Adobe support.

Ah, so Adobe support, not anyone on the actual ACR or LR team. Perhaps someone in a far off cubical in another country from where either team actually produces the product perhaps? 

[DNPhoto]

Sure. Even though they were US based you're probably right. Why don't you look in to it for us since you seem to be an expert on Adobe and their inner workings? I'm sure we would all appreciate the help.

[TheDigitalDog]

Here's all that I need to look for in terms of why you might be waiting for awhile, it's an official statement, here in the forums, from Adobe, not some undefined tech support person:

"Note: Not all cameras will ever receive a set of Camera Matching profiles.”

If they are produced and shipped, you'll get them, but don't expect, demand they will. But maybe they will. Until then.... There are other options until then, if then ever comes:

1. Create and edit your own profiles using the free software that is available.
2. Shoot JPEGs. They you'll get the exact proprietary rendering from the machine called a camera. 
3. Make edits in the Calibration pane and elsewhere, name a preset "1Dx Vivid" or whatever you want. 

That's the help I can provide at this time. If you need specific help in any of the above, I'd be happy to try. 

[carlitosmg]

Andrew I did exactly that with my Insta360 OneR which takes both JPGs and DNGs. I used the JPGs as a guideline to tweak the calibration pane. The results are acceptable...   

I can do the same thing with my M6mkII. Shoot in dual mode and try to build a profile... 
I bought a 3rd party profile for the M6mkII and the results are more to my liking than the Adobe ones

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

That link doesn't work, what is it supposed to say?

[johnrellis]

Unfortunately, that link refers to older content that Adobe chose not to retain when they migrated the "community" forums from the old end-of-life Jive platform to the new Khoros platform.

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

Essentially it said there are technical limitations preventing them from creating the profiles for the new cameras and they need Canon's help to get around them.

[elie_dinur]

Carlos Mejia
>> "I bought a 3rd party profile for the M6mkII and the results are more to my liking than the Adobe ones."

Link, please.

Color Fidelity have not released profiles for the M6ii, but they have put out profiles for the 90D which uses the same sensor/CFA module, so I bought a set and edited the internal camera id fields to M6ii. They work pretty well.
 
I have also made profiles by sending tifs from DPP to Photoshop, deriving LUTs from them and then making profiles in ACR from the LUTs.

[TheDigitalDog]

Exactly. What I've also recently heard was cooperation from (in this case Canon but all manufacturers) is necessary and if Adobe could get this, they would like to provide such profiles. Once again with respect to proprietary raws, some manufacturers are making this very difficult.