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What if Cp 12 just made a square project? It could solve so much!

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July 12, 2023
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I am a new user, so you will either have to forgive me or celebrate me here with this idea 🙂

PPTX and 16:9 was made at a time when people were consuming things on desktop screens. IMO, this shape is out-dated, because SO MANY folks consume their media on tablets or phone, which do much better with a square format.

Even in giving Zoom workshops, I now use square slides because it is more efficient for screen real estate.

If Cp would create a square project, it would solve all of this madness about responsiveness across devices--we'd create one project, it would be square, and it would work well on all devices.

I mean, think of all the glitches that are being caused by things rendering differently in the different device-viewing modes... and all the money and grief Adobe is spending trying to make responsivesness across layouts work, and all the limitations it puts on the creators, and on the learners...

What do others think? And do the Adobe decision-makers read this forum?

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sabre123

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I mean, think of all the glitches that are being caused by things rendering differently in the different device-viewing modes

By @Lisa31013337pg2c

This has been an issue since the dawn of responsive web design. You lose a ton of control in terms of placement/alignment and scale, and some people can live with this more than others. It's not technically a 'glitch.' I am in the camp of not liking the loss of control. For that reason as well as others, I will stick with CP2019 as long as possible.

The lessons I create now are set to Scalable HTML content on publish as @Lilybiri and @Stagprime2687219 have mentioned. I use a homegrown LMS, and within the CSS I have the maximum dimensions set to the actual project dimensions, so it will scale down to fit tablet and phone viewports, but never get larger than the project dimensions.

Will the learner have a bad experience taking my training on a phone in portait mode? Absolutely. Landscape is not horrible if you have good eyesight.

Stagprime2687219

Legend

Regarding the square idea

I personally would much rather have a project that filled my screen as much as possible with small bars top/bottom vs square and a huge bars side/side or all on one side.

That said...

I seems plausible to me that if you crafted/configured the responsive authoring tool to always scale 1:1 based on the shortest side and with the remaining width/height - "responsively" fill in with the TOC - it could work.

Me: I am a non-responsive creator all the way and, like Lieve, - I will simply choose to scale if needed.

I've made some projects intended for mobile and in those cases, I simply picked dimensions for the stage appropriately, put less on the screen, and made buttons a little more "fingertip friendly", etc.

I, too, will be sticking with 2019 until the non-responsive side of version 12 is complete. Extreme loss of flexibility in responsive authoring - in my view.

I hear lots of hype about Rise... Lots of people excited that Adobe now has something to sort of match that if I can really say that... I don't author with Rise, so cannot speak about it directly, but I am very unimpressed with courses I have taken as a student that were made with it.

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Lisa31013337pg2cAuthor

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Stagprime, what do you think of all of that blank yellow space, though, on my screenshots? (Yellow is just the slide backgroudn I have currently on my draft) So much wasted real estate there, in 16:9 in these photos but als 1:1 not shown in these photos, on all three devices. Do you think there is a way to control the amount of screen that the video takes up?

(Think this is a valid thing to report to engineers? Seems like it from my point of view.)

Stagprime2687219

Legend

I don't care for all the blank space either - particularly on desktop.

Big obstacle there - however - is scaling a video all the way to full screen could cause it to be overly pixelated.

Whenever I created something that I needed to scale - I tried to make according to the larger size requirements. Generally speaking - I can scale down and keep it looking good better than I can scale up and keep it looking good. Less of an issue if you're working with graphics and have SVGs at your disposal.

I have v12 on my computer but I have not played with it a great deal since I really don't need/want it for anything. I mostly play with simple things, get frustrated, and go back to work. In my environment, it is not a production-ready application.

Lilybiri

Legend

Only a minority of eLearning courses are developed really with mobile devices in mind, contrary on what the new Captivate 'thinks'. There are several reasons, on which I will not expand here. For me as former professor the main reason is that not all eLearning content can be consumed on small smartphone screens, for companies there are a lot of security reasons.

A responsive project has no fixed resolution at all, not even a fixed width/height ratio. Why would someone use a width/height ratio of 1/1 which is not fitting on any screen: desktop monitor, laptop screen, tablet screen, phone screen. I don't see that at all as a good idea, sorry, but I am know for being always honest (reason why some call me to be rude).

My focus is still on non-responsive projects, in a width/height ratio which fits as closely as possible all landscape screens. I publish them as Scalable HTML, which means that they'll adapt to any browser resolution (which is much more important than the screen resolution). You can have a look at the links to the tutorials I have everywhere on my blog, they all link to scalable output in landscape format.

If you really want to get rid of the limitations of responsive projects, create a project with CP2019 in square format, publish it with Scalable turned on and view the result on multiple devices. I bet you will not like the result.

Sorry, you may not realize that I am Lieve Weymeis in the eLearning community, here is a link to a blog post with a link to a scalable HTML output:

https://blog.lilybiri.com/intro-to-tracking-states

There is an embedded output in an iFrame, but use the link to access the Scalable version.

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Lisa31013337pg2cAuthor

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Thank you, Lieve - Your patience with all of the questions is so appreciated. 🙂 I do not find you rude - tone is always difficult on text/chat and I very much appreciate your wisdom, I am grateful to learn from you! Plus, you speak 3 languages and this is impressive--so if a nuance is lost here and there, no problem at all!

Cp 12 is the only reference I have - I do not know 2019, though I hear a lot of people here saying that they will stick with it and not use Cp12 just yet--but 2019 ould be a huge learning curve for me right now and I don't know that Adobe will continue to support it - so my thinking has been, make friends with Cp 12 from the start, and learn and grow with it.

I guess one thing I notice is that in Cp 12 the video screen/block/whatever it's called really wastes a lot of real estate. Here are 3 screenshots of Desktop, Table, and Phone view. Such an amazingly sad loss of screen space - and as far as I can tell, we have no way to make the video larger and the screen space waste less. I am trying to attach three screenshots, let's see if it works!

Lilybiri

Legend

I really don't understand why Slide video is not allowed to fill the slide as it used to be in previous versions. Lot of the design layouts do waste a lot of real estate, but for video it is crucial to have as much space for the video. I know that you have a preference for square video (not my preference) but the big majority of video has been created to be viewed in landscape mode. In CP2019, last versions, it was possible to override the limitations in control in responsive projects (I have created some responsive projects to test out all the functionalities and for my blog - if I remember well StagPrime didn't use responsive projects which is not a criticism at all, very understandable). Overriding happened to allow slides which had best to be played in landscape mode, by using Position Properties. I explained that workflow in (sorry again) a blog post and found it a great solution. Trying to push those videos as is the case in CP2023 is fit only for very short and not so important videos. Of course my opinion. Here is that blog post:

https://blog.lilybiri.com/fluid-boxes-and-interactive-video-position-properties-panel

@Lisa31013337pg2c My apologies to be back to another lost functionality. I understand that you don't want to learn to use CP2019, but with all your involvement and the skills you already have, I fear that CP2023 feels like a non-fitting pair of shoes because your size is not available anymore. BTW this forum is a lot easier to have inserted screenshots (and video) as you may have experienced, compared with the eLearning community and you also know now what I meant by 24/7 moderation here compared with the eLearning community moderation.

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