Adobe, Linux Support, and the Linux Foundation.

[gai.ra.III]

While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

My premises is this:

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 for a focus on Linux for Web 2.0  Applications like Adobe® Flash® Player and Adobe AIR™. Currently Adobe holds a silver membership status with the Linux Foundation. So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux without the need for WINE and other such workarounds. I think it's a sucky move to support the Linux Foundation and use Linux in the back-end while not doing anything to support actual Linux users who have for at least a decade requested Adobe desktop products on Linux. Sure it's going to take a lot of manpower, financial resources, etc. But to truly support Linux and the Linux Foundation I think it's necessary that y'all do make things like Photoshop and Lightroom available for the Linux desktop. In any regards the wider Linux community would most likely help with testing and debugging programs. We're used to it.

[Sheena Kaul]

Hi Connor,

Please refer to the system requirements for the Adobe CC apps:

System requirements | Creative Cloud

Regards,

Sheena

[__Marcos__]

Abandonei a Suite da Adobe por esse motivo.
Sem suporte pra Linux.Algo que seria extremamente vantajoso para todos.Nem todos gostam de Mac ou Windows.
E não tem suporte para Esperanto (eo) Internacional language

[charlesr76715706]

Coming to this thread three years later, aaaaaand, no progress. Phooey, Adobe.

[Pattie-F]

moved from Adobe Creative Cloud to Trial Download & Install

[andy_bob_newton]

‌based purely on the numbers of the get satisfaction page, each person going for one complete license paying monthly excluding the stock images and stuff (chose this plan because it's what I have and think would be the most common for individuals) Adobe would get an estimated £8626500 per year from just the user of that specific page wanting cc for Linux. That doesn't take into account people buying multiole licenses for themselves or businessda who might want hundreds of them or the many, many people who want this but haven't gone to that page. If porting to Linux would cost even half that when they already the software available for Mac and windows, they seriously need to change the way they're working because all of the software I've made in the past has taken me alone less than an hour to port either to or from Linux,  except one small program I made in college which wasn't worth it because it was just an assignment. I know cc is more comoles than what Ive done I find it hard to believe that it would be impossible for Adobe with the resources they have to do it and increase profits. Also the low market share stats most will quote are derived mainly from a company funded partially by Microsoft and Apple dont even come close to matching the stats I see on my servers, on sites that I trust (w3 shows over 5% which may still be low but much higher than people think). I know Linux is still less used but it's slowly taking over every area of computing because it already has servers, phones, gaming systems, color grading in davinci resolve, visual effects and 3d rendering all over Hollywood, audio production (my live mixing console, recording PC and editing PC are all Linux based), network hardware and storage, some video editing which is getting better (I now use it more than premiere just to avoid windows) and there are even graphic design software like krota, inkscape, gimp and pixeluvo, the latter of which may soon replace photoshop in my work soon in cc doesn't come to Linux. The only thing missing is the creative cloud suite and I'll leave behind the over priced underspecced Mac systems and slow, annoying windows environment behind for a faster, more efficient, more cost effective and more pleasant experience in Linux

[andy_bob_newton]

We've been told not use it any more 5 years ago because there were too many requests and adobe have ignored us since. some 2 minute maths i did earlier estimated over 8 million pounds yearly in just that one page worth of users, and many potential users probably want this but just haven't been to that specific page and those who would want multiple licences. the windows OS is dying among professionals and to some extent so is mac hardware as apple becomes more oriented to consumer devices than professional workstations, its been more than two since the last mac pro and I was underwhelmed with it then and the 5k imac has a thermal throttled 4 core CPU? I've given away more powerful gaming computers as Christmas presents than that. that's why a huge amount of Hollywood effects artists have already moved themselves and their software to Linux (not to mention performance benefits and render farms capabilities in Linux that exceed anything I've seen from MS or Apple), why is adobe so far behind after getting the same repeating request for so long.

[Guest]

Money Adobe going to give to coders for porting CC apps to Linux won't be important becasue their profit margin is a lot higher. Heck, even their server costs are multiple times higher than that. But they can win a loyal fanbase, the love of their customers by porting some of their favourite apps on Linux. That can't be bought by any money. There are considerable amount of users that would love to move to Linux if Adobe released Linux ports. They only stay in Windows & Mac for Adobe apps.

[andy_bob_newton]

yeah, you're probably right there. they've had the requests that would easily justify it. we know the money would not be a problem. they wouldn't have to do that much work so it wouldn't be an issue since we know they use languages are easy to write for linux. the requests have been going for years so it's not like its a new thing they haven't had time to do yet. either adobe simply dont care about anything, are acting incredibly irresponsible for no reason or have some other reason that we are not aware of that defies all logic. some have said that adobe are getting paid by microsoft and apple to keep cc off linux (where we clearly want it) to force us into using their operating systems and hardware in the case of apple. adobe has denied this and I doubt it myself but there are no other reasons I can see. a member of staff at adobe replied to another post saying this as if they don't even know what Linux is.

"

Hi Andrew,

There is no such version for Linux in Creative Cloud as the Adobe Creative cloud apps are desktop apps.

Please refer: System requirements | Creative Cloud

Regards,

Sheena"

the response was replied to in a manner saying that linux is desktop OS and asking why the linux desktop doesn't have adobes desktop apps. there has been no response since.

should even an unsupported version be released in beta that runs on linux be released, I would download and install on day one

[dainiswmichel]

i have 0 reason to stay on MacOS or Windows other than using adobe's Creative Cloud.

...the poor user procedures in CC software are of grave concern to me, and it really makes me wonder what could be going on at adobe.

i too would switch to CC Linux the moment it became available.

honestly, i could personally improve the usability of CC software as well as the documentation. i am sure there are plenty of "minds" out there that could do the same thing. it just does not seem to be happening, which is really sad...

[andy_bob_newton]

‌honestly if Adobe went through these forum posts, picked 5 people who want this and know a little about programming, and gave them the code, we'd have cc on Linux in in a matter of weeks, months at the most and that would barely cost them anything but bring them hundreds of thousands at least, perhaps even millions. Last time I wrote cross platform, the only changes I made between a windows version and Linux version was the file path structure (which was mostly taken care of through abstraction methods) and the compiling options. They have a Mac version already which would probably be even easier to port

[mrCTonks]

Not sure if people have seen this or whats happened with it since, but considering Foundrys software runs on Linux (and in VFX industry primarily run on Linux), one could hope it could encourage the creative cloud apps to do the same. Its amazing how many posts in here think linux is just for servers and theres no point- the lucrative Visual Effects industry alone relies on Linux much more than Windows or Mac, MUCH more. Surely milliions to be made from good linux support for adobe:

Adobe eyes £200m bid for British visual effects firm The Foundry - Telegraph

[mytaxsite]

There isn't much money to be made in Linux Desktop products otherwise

people would be rushing in to make products; The fact of the matter is

Linux is not a success story when it comes to Desktops in Corporate US

and Corporate Europe where the big market for desktop applications is.

Linux is good for web servers but desktop applications are simply not

suitable for servers.

Creative Cloud products are pretty good on Windows 7 and Windows 8

Operating systems and also on Apple Macs so have you tried downloading

the trial versions to run on these OSs to see if it suits your style of

working? You will be amazed how wonderful CC is on these operating

systems. The sales figure is ballooning month after month so why change

the formula? Nobody is wasting time making products for consumer Linux

market so why should Adobe waste time and resources on it? It doesn't

make sense.

Perhaps in future things will change but for now Linux users themselves

are divided and they can't decide which distros to use so how can Adobe

decide what to make for a particular user group.

Windows is becoming almost free for most users; I had free Windows 8.1

(from windows 8) and I will also get Windows 10 free on 29th July;

Also, most new computers from big vendors like DELL, HP, Gateway,

Samsung, Toshiba etc comes with Windows preloaded so what exactly do you

guys find so difficult with Windows? Everybody seems to be using

Windows as far as I can see and I never come across anybody using Linux

in my day to day work.

[kyaustad]

@mytaxsite.co.uk Your reply was made in good intent but you obviously don't understand the beauty of free agency and choice. If you don't understand whats wrong with Windows and Mac OS X then your support on this thread will be in vain. There are millions of linux desktop users and if adobe releases it correctly in a properly formatted .run file or as a tarball it can run on most all distros anyway.

[ssprengel]

Dream on Linux users:

[davidh88868603]

Dear ssprengel.

When you deal with numbers you have to keep in mind what they mean in the context of the discussion. In this context it doesn't mean much.

You are comparing some online statistics to the small (compared to all users) userbase with special interest. Keep in mind that your pie graph refers to the total of this graph and claims to make a statement about the orange part:

Or to phrase it differently: I think your statistic does not represent the Creative Suite userbase and even more so it doesn't represent the reality in the bigger studios (where Mac would be 80% and Linux would be as strong as Windows). It always depends where you work and a CC for Linux would not be a bad thing as many animation companies use linux on a day to day basis, not only for rendering machines.

[dainiswmichel]

just like many people are switching to a cruelty-free diet, many are looking for cruelty-free hardware and software.

neither microsoft nor apple offer solutions for people who refuse to pay money to companies that facilitate harm.

having a "large share of the market" is completely irrelevant, if that market share was gained unethically.

what would happen to the % of CC users using linux, if such an offering were made, is that an "elite core" base of users would switch immediately, and many many many would follow.

adobe, then, would be allowing a global discussion on ethics to occur -- that likely neither apple nor microsoft wish to see happen.

so, i wonder if microsoft and apple are paying adobe to keep CC off of linux.

[andy_bob_newton]

maybe they are paying adobe, though adobe has denied this. Im not too bothered about the ethics to be honest. I use linux where I can because its more reliable, more secure and faster than windows and has options for far better hardware than mac. I know I could build a hackintosh but the hardware support isn't great. the marketshare of worldwide use quoted is from a microsoft funded company. every other source that isn't just quoting themfrom this biased site that probably takes its its stats from microsofts own servers. W3 schools states over 5%, which is closer to the truth and more relevant than stats from netmarketshare, expecially when those stats are so old. every server I've managed in my time has given stats saying 10-20% minimums for linux share not including android which is the mobile where as all recent windows phones and tablets count towards the windows share.

[Xeon64]

I say, it is without doubt that Apple and Microsoft are influencing Adobe to not support Linux. Just look at what Apple did to Adobe in the fight over Flash. Now thanks to Apple Flash is all but dead. Which is a huge blow to Adobe. I had to stop developing in Flash. If Adobe supported Linux you can rest assured that Apple and Microsoft would inflict more damage upon Adobe. In fact there were rumors years ago about Apple buying Adobe which would be disastrous to all creative professionals.

[andy_bob_newton]

while apple and microsoft will almost certainly be having an influence on adobe, I don't think apple would buy adobe, purely because of the battle between fcpx and premiere and because they wouldn't make software for windows but would have too much outcry if they stopped it. plus it would be perhaps even worse than you realise because apple and their mac computers are abandoning the pro market that was once the justification of mac and is now trying to get average consumers interested, most of which can't afford macs anyway, so the efforts would be more aimed at casual users than professionals, which is why me and my team at work moved from fcp to premiere

[Xeon64]

When Windows 7 came out, first stable version in my opinion for creative work, I left Apple and have never looked back. There is justification for the cost of their machines anymore. At one time there was because OS X was only stable OS for heavy graphics work. I would have jumped to Linux if it were available.

[VarunS-NrjXZ4]

Hi

Creative Cloud is not supported on Linux

Check the below link to see system requirements for Creative Cloud :

System requirements | Creative Cloud

Thanks

Varun

[andy_bob_newton]

‌‌i use custom PCs exclusively in my home workstations because Mac hardware is not even close to the same performance for money ratio and Linux is the perfect OS on all of them with windows on one as secondary OS just for Adobe cc. I'm still waiting for Adobe to have cc on Linux so I can ditch windows on that system and put Adobe on the rest too

@Varuns we know it's not on Linux, the whole point of this thread is asking why not and trying mak the point that it is the an extremely desired feature, perhaps even the most requested feature from the professional user base

[jonbwgm]

VarunS, we are well aware of that - which is the point of this thread.  We would like to see a Linux version for those of us who are unhappy with the direction of both Microsoft Windows and Mac OSX.

I am slowly approaching the end of life for my iMac and have grown continuously unhappy with the progress Mac OSX has been taking for the last several years.  I don't want to buy another Mac system if I can avoid it.  But Windows is worse, so the question becomes do I buy another Mac so I can use Adobe products or do I take the leap to Linux and try to live with what's available there? I would love to not have to wrestle with that question, but if I decide to go Linux and abandon Adobe then it's unlikely I'll come back.  Literally every other tool I use is available on Linux and in some cases works better there.

[VarunS-NrjXZ4]

Hi

Please follow the thread : Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

Regards

Varun

[andy_bob_newton]

we are following that thread. this is that thread. I'd understand if you were telling us to follow one the other threads asking for cc on linux - of which there are many - but you have told us to follow the thread we are on. this was as helpful as when a staff member said that adobe apps apps are for desktops. we are already on the threads. we already know all about the software and the OS's it can run on. what we dont know is why adobe refuses to give the customers what they want when it will be so beneficial to them and not require much effort on their part. can you actually give us some relevant information please? or better yet, give s what we ask for?