Adobe, Linux Support, and the Linux Foundation.

[gai.ra.III]

While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

My premises is this:

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 for a focus on Linux for Web 2.0  Applications like Adobe® Flash® Player and Adobe AIR™. Currently Adobe holds a silver membership status with the Linux Foundation. So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux without the need for WINE and other such workarounds. I think it's a sucky move to support the Linux Foundation and use Linux in the back-end while not doing anything to support actual Linux users who have for at least a decade requested Adobe desktop products on Linux. Sure it's going to take a lot of manpower, financial resources, etc. But to truly support Linux and the Linux Foundation I think it's necessary that y'all do make things like Photoshop and Lightroom available for the Linux desktop. In any regards the wider Linux community would most likely help with testing and debugging programs. We're used to it.

[gustavopi]

I think most people are aware Adobe make Creative Cloud for Apple and Microsoft products, besides the fact it is ironic you call "Cloud" something so dependent on a kind of hosting hardware/software. People are just not ok with this. As a Mac user, I know the efforts of Adobe to make it available for a large range of machines - new to very old. So it is strange not heaving Cloud at list for popular Linux distros as Ubuntu and Debian, all Unix like systems. Apple is making a mess with a new System before to do the previous work right, with a new not friandly hardware with people struggling to survive a global pandemic - surreal. Microsoft, on the other hand, keep Windows that is more like to celebrate the 90's than to work professionally! Linux is an alternative more than ever, I don't know what Adobe is waiting for...

By the way, macOS in a Virtual Box will work a bit slower but is a fine alternative, but in this case I will advice to install Mojave instead of Catalina, much more stable and run that old but useful 32 bit app!

[ls_rbls]

And ironically, MS Windows sometimes performs better and  super more secured when ut is run in a virtual box that is hosted in a linux computer.

[Lara Landis]

Just because it can't be supported, it doesn't mean it can't be done.  You've badly misunderstood the Linux community if you think they won't find ways aroudn this. WINE is a well-known way of running many Windows applications on Linux. However, if you would provide native Linux support, it would be much more stable and less prone to piracy.  

[SilenceSound]

Wine versions of Adobe products are not suited for a real professional use.
It can be done but it's not a viable option for pros (even in the case of a
flawless last release run: as a pro u MUST use legit software even on an
opensource OS)

The point of the unfairness of all this matter is indeed in the matter of
RESTRAINING MY FREEDOM AS CUSTOMER in choosing my OS. I feel quite
castrated by this and I actually PAY A LOT each month for the full creative
cloud suite. Why Adobe have to force my choice? (for a service they call
"cloud" (!) )

I pay, many Linux lovers pay, we ask for something from years, a lot of
professional solution are currently available on Linux (Nvidia and Wacom
have proprietary drivers, Maya and a lot "big dudes" are actually deploying
for Linux). Since I pay I demand. That's why we really should let know
Adobe how many (and how angry) we are.

[Vinci Andrés]

Is not the same.

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[Lara Landis]

Wine versions of Adobe products are not suited for a real professional use.
It can be done but it's not a viable option for pros (even in the case of a
flawless last release run: as a pro u MUST use legit software even on an
opensource OS)

As a professional Linux admin, I'd like to let you know that this is
idiotic. As a professional Linux admin, using WINE to install this
program unless I have a commercial solution, which also exists for running
Windows on Linux, I would use the tools available to get it to work. You
clearly didn't think about which profession you were talking about before
posting.

[Guest]

Adobe CC is the only reason I don't drop windows altogether. Every day I become more frustrated with the lack of linux support and I'm always on the lookout for open source options; FOSS solutions aren't quite there yet, but they are hot on Adobe's heels, and they will catch up. I dropped Ableton for Bitwig for the same reason. Modern linux distros are becoming so beginner friendly that more and more people are switching to distros like Pop! OS, Budgie and Elementary. It's time to add linux support.

[Guest]

Much smaller companies, like Bitwig, PCloud, et cetera, manage linux support. There is no excuse for a company as resourced as Adobe.

[John T Smith]

If you want Adobe managers to hear you, buy stock and go to a shareholder meeting

Writing here is only going to be read by other users, not top managers

[ls_rbls]

Interesting!

Finally a Linux user who knows Pop! OS.

It even installed and worked pretty well for me in an old MacBook 2010 (not just PC's).

Makes Gnome desktop environment looks like it's on steroids.

I'm gonna get me one of those Merkat  meer3 mini computers from System 76.

If I am not wrong, their firmware is also open source.

So you can flash with or even workaround with your own open source BIOS.

https://system76.com/guides/meer3 

[SilenceSound]

Lol! Are you aware of the enormity of ur statement? Sry no offense intended
but yes, we are clearly speaking of different professions here. Please let
me explain (and have a little patience with my bad not mother tongue rusty
english):

1) consider the actual point of successful wine Adobe software porting —
not all the creative cloud available, very old releases, a lot of missing
features;

2) each tool has a target. Software or not, some basic tools sometime can
“do the job” if it’s not a very complicated one. A simple hammer can put a
nail in a wall fairy good enough to put a picture frame on ur bedroom. The
job is done and with no need of costly electric tool.

What does all of this mean? That CC is an high entangled ecosystem that
allows to use team instruments, highly specialized functions, powerful “pro
stuff” that a lot of people may not need or even know they exist, how they
work and why (how many of the “average” photo retouching amateurs color
correct a photo using LAB and single channels from RGB and CMYK operating
stuff with ALL of that? That’s a technique that uses simple tools but just
more advanced than average level). Linux has already Gimp and Inscape that
are powerful enough for the most people but not surely for some others kind
of target. Having old and crippled version of the software is not an
option, as having it virtualized or interpreted its the same problem.

Efficiency is a must in professional environment. And the time spent on
solve software troubles or the computing power or the features u loose
while working on a TRUE professional tool in a TRUE professional task
(maybe in a team collaboration) are something everyone would love to avoid.

Again on the matter of “different tools for different needs”: u’ll not
write a web page in C or C++ even if u are able to! But because it’s not
needed and not efficient! Same u’ll not write an operating system in
..whatever.. JavaScript? So use Photoshop 2015 in wine if u wanna play with
that, if u wanna study it otherwise make the job done with GIMP if u don’t
need the space shuttle to go from A to B.

But please do not ask pro people (and Adobe is the standard in this
industry field for some reasons) to land on Mars with a steam train.

3) CREATIVE Cloud is made for... creatives, not software engineers. If u
know also the technical part of the software and hardware u are using good
for u but it’s not what is requested when u have to design a magazine for
example. You must have other skills - design skill. You are a Linux admin,
I’m a graphic designer and art director. So yes... our job is surely
different 🙂

I hope this long stuff I wrote was at least easy to read and understand.
Sry again for bad english!

[gustavopi]

This answer is interesting - not available yet. Since Adobe make products for Mac for decades and support this Linux's brother system of Unix family, it seems they got something, but they are waiting for something... Well, Apple does not wait for nobody, never did, and will go alone with Big Sur + ARM and will let Adobe behind... again! I really don't get some decisions (or lack of decisions) of companies as Adobe that has so much in hands...

[Hg1217]

Sorry guys you can even pray for it, but with their business model about Microsoft and Apple and 2 percent Linux, they won't do it.... Period... I am a Linux and open-source militant, and the money and the partnership is higher, than you think..... So for now... And like for many years to come.... If the Linux desktop becomes the revelation, don't forget that Microsoft Market share from the beginning the king... And they will do the impossible to stay always on top.... Because also is a Spyware os

[Hg1217]

In other words... They don't care.... 

And to pay development for an 2 percent market share Linux.... You know the answer.... 

... Instead of that start learning from

Gimp, Inkscape, krita, gravit, kdenlive, olive, scribus... YouTube is your friend for the tutorials

[Hg1217]

You have said all... 

[LockeAG]

As I remember in the presentation of Apple Silicon they said that Adobe has transitioned flawlessly to the new Silicon since before BigSur and the Silicon Announcment.

What is, in fact a new condition in the market is that a lot of frontends programmers are using more and more Linux, and Adobe is way behind in this market, that is why Figma and others will shine against Adobe.

[Nika5E7F]

Guys, you have great products, but you force me and many people to uninstall and go to different services (XD for example has very good alternatives), Why? because of worst app that comes with adobe products, Adobe Desktop Service and Updater, why???? can anyone tell me why do I need updater and 16 other processes to be running on my Status bar and activity monitor all the time, I haven't used Adobe products for more than 2 weeks, but still receive tons of notifications about updates, etc? I'm not a designer or whatever, I'm a software engineer and I need only one single app, you could just have updater included in application and whenever I run it'll update, why do I need 16 running processes? I had presentation and it literally failed presentation, a notification appeared as always, I tried to hide it and it appeared so many times I accidentally clicked on it and it started updating and I couldn't exit using Command+Q and I had to open activity monitor and kill processes manually and 27 people had to watch me doing all that because of your bad ideas of having heavier updater than actual applications most of the time. even when I write the code, it disturbs me so much, I'm trying to think about work and it keeps notifying me again and again and again. I have disabled "Launch Creative Cloud at login" it still runs 16-25 processes and it still opens and runs notifications anyway. this is how my activity monitor looks like at this moment:

Adobe CEF Helper (5 processes running)
Adobe Desktop Service (1 process running)
Adobe Installer (1 process running) <<< can anyone tell me why do I need installer running when nothing is installed at this moment?
AdobeCRDaemon (8 processes running)
AdobeIPCBroker(1 process running)
Do you guys think this is ok? overall just adobe has 16 processes running at this moment, and I don't have any adobe apps running, it's just Adobe Desktop Service that runs some useless processes and wastes laptop battery and CPU, Adobe CEF helper most of the time uses 1-5% CPU power as I see in activity monitor, why? who needs all those processes? do you really think this is ok? come on... that's so bad experience. 

I'll post this in several places, you can ban me, I don't care. I just want you to see this post, at least fix "Launch Creative Cloud at login" and add Quit Application option, or something when we don't need it when I need adobe products, I'm okay to have this processes running if those are helping your apps, but I don't need and nobody needs them when there are no adobe apps running. 

[LinSims]

You're not the first person to complain about all the background services running; you probably won't be the last. You're politer than most, at least.

It won't do you any good to post here about this. The "Adobe Support Community" is not frequented by the Adobe developers or their managers, who are the ones who design and write/maintain the software. We're users like you, and we have no way to contact the developers to tell them this irritates the users and no power to make them change their ways.

[ls_rbls]

In 2013 Oracle acquired a Linux Red Hat partner to what later became Oracle Linux (freely distributed by Oracle) and used by Oracle Cloud.

Well, Linux was on Microsoft's visual when they partnered with RedHat Linux two years after that (back in 2015) and became Red Hat Enterprise Linux (a.k.a Azure ). 

• NOTE: Keep in mind that Linux Fedora (for desktop and workstations) and CentOS (for enterprise) are the Linux open source community versions.  

The keyword here is "Cloud" services, like Microsoft's Azure global cloud.

In about 3 to 4  years later IBM acquired Red Hat Linux for no less than $34 billion with the intention to lead the cloud market over  Amazon, Google, and Microsoft. 

While all of this was melting in the pot last year,  then  Microsoft  decides to integrate the Linux Subsytem for Windows (LSW) in Windows10.

• NOTE: LSW allows to install and run natively different supported  Linux versions command tools in MS Windows 10 without using any virtual machines. 

Sooooooooo, if you didn't know yet, Adobe Enterprise Manager supports Red Hat Linux too.

I am very happy to read that just as recent as July 2020 it was announced that Adobe, IBM, and Red Hat, partnered up to support hybrid multi-Clouds: Adobe, IBM and Red Hat Announce Strategic Partnership to Advance Customer Experience Transformation 

I guess this fact just answered  all the bla, bla, bla about Adobe and other companies that only put an effort in Linux if it is going to produce some money $$$.

I can safely assume that this fact is also the reason why Kanika's answer gave the impression that something was on the way since this thread was posted exactly a month before the partnership annoucement was released to the public.

Now, going back to the client computing side of this topic (Creative Cloud on Linux), this is what I have to say:

• If Adobe and Windows were two people that think they fell in love with each other, it resembles the worst of a honeymoon phase and the worst of an emotionally disfunctional roller coaster ride.

• Is like two idiots who talk about love and great things, but then they stab each other in the back (literally). 

• It almost resembles an adult love and hate relationship with a bunch of make up sex in between. Yet,  in the process of emotional instability Adobe would rebound with its high-school sweetie Apple. 

• At the end of each day, Adobe and Microsoft would've learned to realize that they just hate each other. They must acknowledge (in a very sickening and sad way) that if they they want to survive together they must learn how live together... The only catch:  trapped forever inside of a  mystery box.

• Linux, who is crazy in love with Adobe, comes and knocks on the door from time to time.

• Linux constantly asks Adobe to divorce that crazy of a wife-beater Windows.

• In fact Linux tells Adobe that it has the key to unlock the mystery box. But Adobe is so abused by Windows and so emotionally damaged that it won't listen to anything that Linux have to say anymore. So Adobe decides to stay with Windows in that mystery box... 

• So sick, isn't it?

[Arjun VK]

Are there future plans to make it done? Please don't repeat what you've already said.

Please talk about Adobe's future releases and features. As an Adobe employee you are aware of that right?

[John Waller]

>>>Please talk about Adobe's future releases and features. 

There's no way they're going to do that in a public forum. They're a publicly listed company so that kind of info is a closely guarded secret and governed by regulations. Even shareholders are only told so much. The only way to get that info is to join the Adobe board of directors.

[Ussnorway]

The only way to get that info is to join the Adobe board of directors.

one assumes there is an IQ test to pass for that job? 😉

[Jeffrey_A_Wright]

Arjun, please bookmark https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/system-requirements.html so that you can always be kept up to date regarding the current requirements to utilize Adobe desktop software.

[Hg1217]

That's again, a no as response to Adobe migration to Linux, the type answer "we don't care", we already have our quote $$$, and even with that... You continue to beg for it.... Get yourself free starting the hardest way, but at the end of the day you will be satisfied with the result, you are slave of yourselfs, continuing arguing and asking.... You've notice that the response for your request, is always similar... 😵

[Kasper5CAD]

I have a school license and my time at school will decide whether I find Adobe products good enough to buy into once a leave.

So far I'm loving it, but realising that I can't use Premiere on my Ubuntu desktop has kind of pissed me off. The Linux market is being destroyed by the lack of app compatibility and Adobe is one of the biggest offendors.

Not cool, adobe, not cool.