Adobe, Linux Support, and the Linux Foundation.

[gai.ra.III]

While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

My premises is this:

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 for a focus on Linux for Web 2.0  Applications like Adobe® Flash® Player and Adobe AIR™. Currently Adobe holds a silver membership status with the Linux Foundation. So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux without the need for WINE and other such workarounds. I think it's a sucky move to support the Linux Foundation and use Linux in the back-end while not doing anything to support actual Linux users who have for at least a decade requested Adobe desktop products on Linux. Sure it's going to take a lot of manpower, financial resources, etc. But to truly support Linux and the Linux Foundation I think it's necessary that y'all do make things like Photoshop and Lightroom available for the Linux desktop. In any regards the wider Linux community would most likely help with testing and debugging programs. We're used to it.

[fear_13th]

Linux is developed by the whole world, free of charge - this is better for all of humanity than, a closed development. Why do not you want / against the people?

[John T Smith]

Adobe is not doing anything "against" anyone... they are simply putting their development time into what the Adobe board of directors sees as best for the company

Cloud on Linux was first asked 8-29-2012 https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1057800 and it has not happened... I do not see it ever happening

[Abambo]

fear_13th  wrote
Linux is developed by the whole world

That’s a little bit optimistic... Linux has it’s merits, but if I tell you that we have around 1700 Windows computers and half a dozen Linux servers, you see why Adobe is putting it’s resources into Windows and MacOS and not into Linux.

[fear_13th]

i will buy adobe products when there is support for linux main distros (such as Debian, Red Hat ...). but for now .... good luck comrades

[Markhall94]

Are you guys really waiting for such a thing?

Do you think that Adobe would let Apple get bankrupted for letting Linux absolutely take the lead?

Think of it, Linux has the best OS but they have support issues if Adobe helps them stand out that, then be certain that Apple and Windows are out.

Hint: Adobe and Apple share the same source ownership and of course the monopolistic strategy

[Abambo]

You are talking glibberish. Adobe and Apple are different companies with different strategies. They are working together on some points and are in competition on others.

[fear_13th]

that's just the point, when software giants start supporting Linux - then Windows and MacOS will disappear, because can not compete with Linux

зы. how many times do translators use for a language, and how many times do I see that English is created only for machines

[Abambo]

Adobe has no stakes in Windows or MacOS. If Adobe decides to support additional OSs it will be based on busines considerations. I’m sure that some of the Adobe activity is using Linux systems. But not the desktop applications.

[Markhall94]

What did you add to my comment. I didn't say they are the same company. But they have no difference

[Abambo]

I didn’t indicate that you said they were the same company. They are very different to each other because their scope is different.

[yilativs]

It would be nice to have Adobe Light Room and Photoshop on linux.

While it didn't happen and Adobe doesn't even reply on plans, there list of photoediting software on linux is growing:

Beside GIMP and DarkTable

commercial product from Coral AfterShort 3 is officially leased for linux with support.

[Abambo]

gai.ra.III  wrote

While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

I feel that all has been said about this. Why not participating in the latest Linux discussion?

gai.ra.III  wrote

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 (...) So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux

Because they decided it was not worth the effort for the current user base.

There is no sense in a Linux discussion. If Adobe does port their software on Linux, they will do it and announce Linux at a time.

In the meantime use the Bug/Feature request to let Adobe hear your request: Feature Request/Bug Report Form

[Mylenium]

Same answer as always: As long as only a infinitessimally small fraction of people even use a desktop Linux to do stuff, there is no point even discussing this. It really comes down to that "normal" people in the creative branches of the industry Adobe caters for simply don't care much for Linux to the point of a majority not even being aware that such a thing exists. Even if the products existed for Linux already, nobody would use them on this system. This is the simple, harsh truth here, no matter how much this is being trotted out hypothetically. The numbers simply don't add up.

Mylenium

[Guest]

For years I was stuck with an OS that I did not like due to some software, but for years I have totally migrated to Linux, I have only been using cross-platform software for a long time, preferably Free and Open Source. I'm no longer a slave to software!

Previously I paid Adobe monthly, but I've also used pirated versions, but today I do not need it, not for free! Goodbye Adobe, but I dispense your ads in my email, lost between the Spans.

[Abambo]

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

but I've also used pirated versions

So you are a reason why Adobe needs to invest heavily into software protection products.

Do you contribute to the Free and Open Source software?

[Guest]

Abambo  escreveu

CesarAzevedoJr   wrote

but I've also used pirated versions

So you are a reason why Adobe needs to invest heavily into software protection products.

Do you contribute to the Free and Open Source software?

When I say "I used pirated" it does not mean that I have used it on my PC, there are many workers who are forced to use what is made available by companies.

Hypocrisy on your part! For if it were not for "piracy" there would not be this software slave industry arresting people to OS. If it were not for the pirated versions of Windows it would not be so widespread, much less Adobe would be in all the corner courses. The predatory industry allows piracy, it's like offering the child a cigarette. Adobe do not block because Adobe do not want to, hypocrisy!

Obviously I contribute to the Free and Open Source world. This does not mean that you need to be FREE and neither Open Source, the focus is the disdain of Adobe with Linux.

It's possible to monetize even though it's FREE, I'm not saying Adobe should be FREE or OPEN, it's just an observation. You can monetize with activities around the software, such as training, support and consulting, participation in potential future profits (as done by QT - https://www.qt.io/). But I think the story of Blender (https://www.blender.org), which released the source code after reaching a financial goal, is fantastic. A good example is JetBrains (IntelliJ IDEA) that releases its FREE software for developers of OpenSource projects.

[Abambo]

FYI: I'm not Adobe.

Obviously I contribute to the Free and Open Source world.

Obviously you do not say how?

This does not mean that you need to be FREE and neither Open Source, the focus is the disdain of Adobe with Linux.

There is no disdain! Just add the numbers. The effort to get the cloud to Linux and the potential user base will determine if and when Adobe goes Linux. I'm sure they have some products running on Linux internally. But that does not make a complete and stable product.

Just because Linux is your hobby does not mean that it provides a viable business model for all software.

[pierreh80104776]

A complete and stable product? Since when? Once again dear ACP could you help people instead of just being a Adobe PR man?

[Guest]

Abambo  escreveu

Obviously you do not say how?

I do not see the need to expose what I do professionally, it does not make sense your argument "ad hominem" is very unnecessary! But just the fact that we are discussing is already a contribution that I am making.

If you want numbers, compare the number of users between MacOS and Linux Desktop (9% and 3% respectively), exclude from the list non-developers (most linux user is a developer), add those that want to change OS but do not changes due to Adobe. Do this and you will see the huge market that Adobe is missing!

[Abambo]

pierreh80104776  wrote

A complete and stable product? Since when? Once again dear ACP could you help people instead of just being a Adobe PR man?

I did not talk on anything like "a complete and stable product", I was talking about "some products running on Linux internally".

I'm not an Adobe PR man, I'm giving my personal appreciation. And that is: the numbers do not add-up! I do not know of any company investing in Linux desktop systems. That does not mean that they do not exist, but I know about several administrations who where on Linux and are returning to Windows. Again I do not put an appreciation behind, in the contrary. For reasons that I will not explain here, I have reasons to believe that the decisions of those administrations are more based on Microsoft's excellent lobby work than on facts.

And to be clear again: I do not have any information that Adobe is planning anything in the near future on Linux. If I would have, I would be under NDA and I would not be able to talk about that.

This whole discussion is pretty senseless. If it happens, it will happen based on a very expensive market study, based on real (?) numbers and great projections and based on a potential market that Adobe would see there. For sure, Adobe will not ask my or yours personal opinion.

Adobe once had Photoshop running on Irix (Silicon Graphics UNIX) or may be even on Sun OS. That's abandoned, because the numbers weren't worth the effort.

[Abambo]

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

Abambo   escreveu

Obviously you do not say how?

I do not see the need to expose what I do professionally, it does not make sense your argument "ad hominem" is very unnecessary! But just the fact that we are discussing is already a contribution that I am making.

Sorry, but that is a non-sense argument. It's arguing and not contributing.

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

If you want numbers, compare the number of users between MacOS and Linux Desktop (9% and 3% respectively), exclude from the list non-developers (most linux user is a developer), add those that want to change OS but do not changes due to Adobe. Do this and you will see the huge market that Adobe is missing!

MacOS is more around 12-13%, Linux around 1.5%, with Windows around 70-80%. For Adobe products I suspect the MacOS part to be much higher as this is the traditional graphics market for Adobe products. However, as I have no number, I will not advance any. But I could imagine that they are near pair.

So now, we are missing the numbers for those who commit to change to Linux when CC is available on Linux. For this just an article from 2011 on AIR: Adobe: Market? What Linux market? | ITworld . I have nothing to add...

[Guest]

You may find more accurate data on this link. Obviously it is necessary professionals in Statistic to do the analyzes, it will not be me or you!

Linux market share

Regarding the article that suggested, it may be that the surveys are true even (and not wrong as written by the author); and the problem has always been in the disuse of AIR, as proven by today's preference for most (Linux, Windows or MacOS users) by HTML5 and JS (Ionic, NativeScript, React, Cordova...).

From my experience, I was an ActionScript expert (1, 2 and 3) and for a while I was devastated (even though I was not a Linux user at the time). But I updated to other technologies!

[Abambo]

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

You may find more accurate data on this link. Obviously it is necessary professionals in Statistic to do the analyzes, it will not be me or you!

Linux market share

I can't evaluate the accuracy of any of the statistics as I do not know how accurate they are. Anyhow, statistics for Adobe use will differ from simple browser use statistics as Adobe users tend to use more expensive machines as the mainstream and there the premium to use Apple products is less important.

[Mylenium]

Do this and you will see the huge market that Adobe is missing!

What huge market? None of the sources you pointed to provides any solid basis for that assumption. Sure, 1.5 percent out of a few billion is still a lot of users, but clearly they are not ones that are relevant for Adobe, at least not beyond a certain point. I've been roaming the creative industries for more than 25 years now and never even come across anyone who would actually and genuinely want to use Photoshop on anything other than their beloved Mac or PC. We could perhaps agree that at some point it might have made sense to convert some web development tools like Dreamweaver to Linux, but that window of opportunity is long past and the world has moved on. Beyond that none of what you say makes any sense. The Linux world, outside server-based usage and other geek stuff, is not even a drop in the ocean in the market for creative desktop tools.

Mylenium

[Guest]

Be that as it may and regardless of how many users you have in each OS, only use your data of 1.5%, there are more than 40 million users, most of which are high potential because they are Devs.

The only doubt I have and I know that you do not have the answer is if Adobe has purposely neglected Linux to favor Apple, in my view Apple is the one who benefits most from this situation, or even Microsoft Windows.

Technically we know that there is not that much difference between what is programmed for MacOS to work on Linux, obvious that it requires a little more recourse, but at least half way is already done. See the testimony of this technology company:

Mac and Linux Development | Custom Software Development

So if it is in favor of other OS, by agreement or contract, without problems, Adobe has every right, but if it is, there is a lot of ethical failure, massive manipulation attempt, in claiming to develop that for Linux users do not compensate the effort. If so, Adobe should assume that it does not want its customers to use Linux instead of looking for meaningless excuses.

I keep my doubt!