Adobe Creative Cloud applications on Ubuntu/Linux

[Kanikas]

Adobe Creative Cloud does not support Ubuntu/Linux. 

Please see the minimum system requirements needed to use Creative Cloud:

https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/system-requirements.html

Thanks 

Kanika Sehgal 

[Abambo]

pierreh80104776  wrote

A complete and stable product? Since when? Once again dear ACP could you help people instead of just being a Adobe PR man?

I did not talk on anything like "a complete and stable product", I was talking about "some products running on Linux internally".

I'm not an Adobe PR man, I'm giving my personal appreciation. And that is: the numbers do not add-up! I do not know of any company investing in Linux desktop systems. That does not mean that they do not exist, but I know about several administrations who where on Linux and are returning to Windows. Again I do not put an appreciation behind, in the contrary. For reasons that I will not explain here, I have reasons to believe that the decisions of those administrations are more based on Microsoft's excellent lobby work than on facts.

And to be clear again: I do not have any information that Adobe is planning anything in the near future on Linux. If I would have, I would be under NDA and I would not be able to talk about that.

This whole discussion is pretty senseless. If it happens, it will happen based on a very expensive market study, based on real (?) numbers and great projections and based on a potential market that Adobe would see there. For sure, Adobe will not ask my or yours personal opinion.

Adobe once had Photoshop running on Irix (Silicon Graphics UNIX) or may be even on Sun OS. That's abandoned, because the numbers weren't worth the effort.

[Guest]

Abambo  escreveu

Obviously you do not say how?

I do not see the need to expose what I do professionally, it does not make sense your argument "ad hominem" is very unnecessary! But just the fact that we are discussing is already a contribution that I am making.

If you want numbers, compare the number of users between MacOS and Linux Desktop (9% and 3% respectively), exclude from the list non-developers (most linux user is a developer), add those that want to change OS but do not changes due to Adobe. Do this and you will see the huge market that Adobe is missing!

[Abambo]

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

Abambo   escreveu

Obviously you do not say how?

I do not see the need to expose what I do professionally, it does not make sense your argument "ad hominem" is very unnecessary! But just the fact that we are discussing is already a contribution that I am making.

Sorry, but that is a non-sense argument. It's arguing and not contributing.

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

If you want numbers, compare the number of users between MacOS and Linux Desktop (9% and 3% respectively), exclude from the list non-developers (most linux user is a developer), add those that want to change OS but do not changes due to Adobe. Do this and you will see the huge market that Adobe is missing!

MacOS is more around 12-13%, Linux around 1.5%, with Windows around 70-80%. For Adobe products I suspect the MacOS part to be much higher as this is the traditional graphics market for Adobe products. However, as I have no number, I will not advance any. But I could imagine that they are near pair.

So now, we are missing the numbers for those who commit to change to Linux when CC is available on Linux. For this just an article from 2011 on AIR: Adobe: Market? What Linux market? | ITworld . I have nothing to add...

[Guest]

You may find more accurate data on this link. Obviously it is necessary professionals in Statistic to do the analyzes, it will not be me or you!

Linux market share

Regarding the article that suggested, it may be that the surveys are true even (and not wrong as written by the author); and the problem has always been in the disuse of AIR, as proven by today's preference for most (Linux, Windows or MacOS users) by HTML5 and JS (Ionic, NativeScript, React, Cordova...).

From my experience, I was an ActionScript expert (1, 2 and 3) and for a while I was devastated (even though I was not a Linux user at the time). But I updated to other technologies!

[Abambo]

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

You may find more accurate data on this link. Obviously it is necessary professionals in Statistic to do the analyzes, it will not be me or you!

Linux market share

I can't evaluate the accuracy of any of the statistics as I do not know how accurate they are. Anyhow, statistics for Adobe use will differ from simple browser use statistics as Adobe users tend to use more expensive machines as the mainstream and there the premium to use Apple products is less important.

[Guest]

Be that as it may and regardless of how many users you have in each OS, only use your data of 1.5%, there are more than 40 million users, most of which are high potential because they are Devs.

The only doubt I have and I know that you do not have the answer is if Adobe has purposely neglected Linux to favor Apple, in my view Apple is the one who benefits most from this situation, or even Microsoft Windows.

Technically we know that there is not that much difference between what is programmed for MacOS to work on Linux, obvious that it requires a little more recourse, but at least half way is already done. See the testimony of this technology company:

Mac and Linux Development | Custom Software Development

So if it is in favor of other OS, by agreement or contract, without problems, Adobe has every right, but if it is, there is a lot of ethical failure, massive manipulation attempt, in claiming to develop that for Linux users do not compensate the effort. If so, Adobe should assume that it does not want its customers to use Linux instead of looking for meaningless excuses.

I keep my doubt!

[Abambo]

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

Be that as it may and regardless of how many users you have in each OS, only use your data of 1.5%, there are more than 40 million users, most of which are high potential because they are Devs.

Most artists are doing art not programming.

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

The only doubt I have and I know that you do not have the answer is if Adobe has purposely neglected Linux to favor Apple, in my view Apple is the one who benefits most from this situation, or even Microsoft Windows.

Adobe is an independent company. There products mostly come from the Mac world, however, because the Mac was at the time the only machine that fitted the peoples needs. It was a commercial decision from Adobe when they did the port to Windows and as I said before, Adobe did try different OS configurations like Irix. I was running Maya and it's predecessors on Unix workstations. Those programs have been ported to Windows and MacOS (still run under Linux) because of the potential that those platforms offer.

CesarAzevedoJr  wrote

So if it is in favor of other OS, by agreement or contract, without problems, Adobe has every right, but if it is, there is a lot of ethical failure, massive manipulation attempt, in claiming to develop that for Linux users do not compensate the effort. If so, Adobe should assume that it does not want its customers to use Linux instead of looking for meaningless excuses.

Adobe does not comment it's plans before it issues a release date. It does not issue meaningless excuses, at least I did not read some. The whole discussion is meaningless. Currently Adobe Creative Cloud software that you can buy does not run on Linux.

[Guest]

Fallacies!

Not every artist exclusively makes art. Not every programmer makes code exclusively. When I write "Linux Desktop", I mean who use GUI (Graphical User Interface), and uses GIMP, Netscape... artits and programmers! It does not go into that sum of the servers professionals, because if you count only how many programmers there are working on servers the sum is absurdly higher in comparison to other OSs.

Fallacies, fallacies, fallacies...

[Mylenium]

Do this and you will see the huge market that Adobe is missing!

What huge market? None of the sources you pointed to provides any solid basis for that assumption. Sure, 1.5 percent out of a few billion is still a lot of users, but clearly they are not ones that are relevant for Adobe, at least not beyond a certain point. I've been roaming the creative industries for more than 25 years now and never even come across anyone who would actually and genuinely want to use Photoshop on anything other than their beloved Mac or PC. We could perhaps agree that at some point it might have made sense to convert some web development tools like Dreamweaver to Linux, but that window of opportunity is long past and the world has moved on. Beyond that none of what you say makes any sense. The Linux world, outside server-based usage and other geek stuff, is not even a drop in the ocean in the market for creative desktop tools.

Mylenium

[dodancs]

That's all nice, but Adobe should look at the recent trend to go all Linux with every service.

There are many advantages for the users and also the vendors. Since you develop the software, as Linux is open-source and anyone could contribute, maybe with a good business plan there wouldn't be to many resources "wasted" for porting CC to Linux.

Just look at google, the new streaming service they are making is going to run on Linux. Steam is constantly trying to tell developers to go Linux and also does some work themselves to make it happen.

Sure it is hard to re-code and develop many parts of the CC suite, but many of the apps also use a common framework of sorts so that means less to do. Also many technologies used on Linux are open to public and they have a lot of documentation so they are easier to use.

Also, if Adobe provided an easy way of running the existing CC suite on Linux, for example just a simple virtualization or Wine in the background that would make it almost seamless to use CC suite on Linux, it would be much better than no support at all.

And, not to forgot - Macs are Linux. 99% linux + some magic sparkly dust on top. Porting a Mac version should not be any hard. I know there are differences, but many libraries and other things related to the OS are the same on any Linux and MacOS.

Any comments on this?

[Abambo]

dodancs  wrote

And, not to forgot - Macs are Linux. 99% linux + some magic sparkly dust on top. Porting a Mac version should not be any hard. I know there are differences, but many libraries and other things related to the OS are the same on any Linux and MacOS.

That proves that you do not understand about what you're talking. MacOS is build on a flavour of Unix that is not Linux.

macOS version history - Wikipedia .

[Guest]

When he said "99%" was not in the statistical sense (mathematics), it was a way of saying that for an organization like Adobe there are not many difficulties in the way of implementation in Linux.

I think that the outdated one is you, dear ACP, give a google about Snaps ( https://docs.snapcraft.io/snap-documentation/3781  ) and you will see that there is no longer the difficulty of implementation with only one software version to several distinct distros, because SNAPS are encapsulated as containers.

"Snaps are app packages for desktop, cloud and IoT that are easy to install, secure, cross-platform and dependency-free."

Just remembering what has already been said by me in this discussion:

Technically we know that there is not much difference between what is programmed for MacOS to work on Linux, obvious that it requires a little more recourse, but at least half way is already done. See the testimony of this technology company:
Mac and Linux Development | Custom Software Development

In this link ( https://snapcraft.io/​ ) has a tutorial on how to make a Snap in 30 minutes, just choose the language, see the image. If any 14-year-old can do it, I imagine it's not too difficult for Adobe engineers to do as well. That is, 99% that works!

[Guest]

Abambo At least send this discussion to your superiors. It's the least you can do.

[Abambo]

My superiors are more interested in industrial goods for the heavy industry. I'm a user of Adobe products.

Adobe people are not participating in this discussion. I only once saw a comment from an Adobe guy on a similar thread (this threads revive each few months), where he stated that Adobe has studied porting the programs to Linux, but for different reasons did decide not to pursue.

Adobe people are marked STAFF and have an Adobe logo behind their name.

[matthiasb6541879]

Waiting for this for too long.

[Abambo]

Well if it pleasures you, you may wait...

[Red Aqua Media]

Same here! I really would like to switch from Windows to Linux, but because I often use Photoshop and Lightroom, it's the only reason to have to stay in Windows OS. Pity.

I hope it will be happen very soon. Thanks!

[ls_rbls]

Hi,

Old post, so for the sake of ALL FAIRNESS to linux,  I would like to add my share.

Maybe back in 2012 the opinions expressed in this thread might've been somewhat correct.

I've been a linux user and enthusiast  since 1998.

They've always  been, (and still are) options available.

See here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/acrobat-reader/viewing-layers-on-adobe-reader-using-chromebook/m-p/10... 

[timothyc18277036]

The truly strange thing about this is that, if Adobe made their software native on Linux, it would likely start the death spiral for at least Windows. How many folks do you imagine are chained to Windows exclusively for access to this software? Sure, there are Linux alternatives but, if you've been using Photoshop since version 1, how enthused are you to begin a new learning curve with Gimp (as good as it is)? It's kind of weird to think about the potential power Adobe has by making this one change.

[luca73]

here's an opportunity to make that change.

https://www.change.org/p/adobe-systems-make-adobe-cc-run-natively-on-linux-platforms

Please share if you care.

[ls_rbls]

In 2013 Oracle acquired a Linux Red Hat partner to what later became Oracle Linux (freely distributed by Oracle) and used by Oracle Cloud.

Well, Linux was on Microsoft's visual when they partnered with RedHat Linux two years after that (back in 2015) and became Red Hat Enterprise Linux (a.k.a Azure ). 

• NOTE: Keep in mind that Linux Fedora (for desktop and workstations) and CentOS (for enterprise) are the Linux open source community versions.  

The keyword here is "Cloud" services, like Microsoft's Azure global cloud.

In about 3 to 4  years later IBM acquired Red Hat Linux for no less than $34 billion with the intention to lead the cloud market over  Amazon, Google, and Microsoft. 

While all of this was melting in the pot last year,  then  Microsoft  decides to integrate the Linux Subsytem for Windows (LSW) in Windows10.

• NOTE: LSW allows to install and run natively different supported  Linux versions command tools in MS Windows 10 without using any virtual machines. 

Sooooooooo, if you didn't know yet, Adobe Enterprise Manager supports Red Hat Linux too.

I am very happy to read that just as recent as July 2020 it was announced that Adobe, IBM, and Red Hat, partnered up to support hybrid multi-Clouds: Adobe, IBM and Red Hat Announce Strategic Partnership to Advance Customer Experience Transformation 

I guess this fact just answered  all the bla, bla, bla about Adobe and other companies that only put an effort in Linux if it is going to produce some money $$$.

I can safely assume that this fact is also the reason why Kanika's answer gave the impression that something was on the way since this thread was posted exactly a month before the partnership annoucement was released to the public.

Now, going back to the client computing side of this topic (Creative Cloud on Linux), this is what I have to say:

• If Adobe and Windows were two people that think they fell in love with each other, it resembles the worst of a honeymoon phase and the worst of an emotionally disfunctional roller coaster ride.

• Is like two idiots who talk about love and great things, but then they stab each other in the back (literally). 

• It almost resembles an adult love and hate relationship with a bunch of make up sex in between. Yet,  in the process of emotional instability Adobe would rebound with its high-school sweetie Apple. 

• At the end of each day, Adobe and Microsoft would've learned to realize that they just hate each other. They must acknowledge (in a very sickening and sad way) that if they they want to survive together they must learn how live together... The only catch:  trapped forever inside of a  mystery box.

• Linux, who is crazy in love with Adobe, comes and knocks on the door from time to time.

• Linux constantly asks Adobe to divorce that crazy of a wife-beater Windows.

• In fact Linux tells Adobe that it has the key to unlock the mystery box. But Adobe is so abused by Windows and so emotionally damaged that it won't listen to anything that Linux have to say anymore. So Adobe decides to stay with Windows in that mystery box... 

• So sick, isn't it?

[Guest]

Found that out the hard way ended up cancelling after switching to Linux 😂 With the amount of developers and web and ui/ux designers currently on Linux and increasingly opting for Linux over windows, are there any future plans for cc on Linux?

[Vinci Andrés]

Queremos Adobe en Linux. Yo estoy hasta la coronilla de Windows. 

[tommy101588]

😀

[vaughngrisham]

I have been a CC subscriber for 3 years. I would very much like to leave Windows for Ubuntu. Please give us the freedom to continue our memberships on Linux.