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Adobe, Linux Support, and the Linux Foundation.

Forum|Forum|13 years ago
August 30, 2012
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While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

My premises is this:

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 for a focus on Linux for Web 2.0 Applications like Adobe® Flash® Player and Adobe AIR™. Currently Adobe holds a silver membership status with the Linux Foundation. So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux without the need for WINE and other such workarounds. I think it's a sucky move to support the Linux Foundation and use Linux in the back-end while not doing anything to support actual Linux users who have for at least a decade requested Adobe desktop products on Linux. Sure it's going to take a lot of manpower, financial resources, etc. But to truly support Linux and the Linux Foundation I think it's necessary that y'all do make things like Photoshop and Lightroom available for the Linux desktop. In any regards the wider Linux community would most likely help with testing and debugging programs. We're used to it.

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Nika5E7F

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Guys, you have great products, but you force me and many people to uninstall and go to different services (XD for example has very good alternatives), Why? because of worst app that comes with adobe products, Adobe Desktop Service and Updater, why???? can anyone tell me why do I need updater and 16 other processes to be running on my Status bar and activity monitor all the time, I haven't used Adobe products for more than 2 weeks, but still receive tons of notifications about updates, etc? I'm not a designer or whatever, I'm a software engineer and I need only one single app, you could just have updater included in application and whenever I run it'll update, why do I need 16 running processes? I had presentation and it literally failed presentation, a notification appeared as always, I tried to hide it and it appeared so many times I accidentally clicked on it and it started updating and I couldn't exit using Command+Q and I had to open activity monitor and kill processes manually and 27 people had to watch me doing all that because of your bad ideas of having heavier updater than actual applications most of the time. even when I write the code, it disturbs me so much, I'm trying to think about work and it keeps notifying me again and again and again. I have disabled "Launch Creative Cloud at login" it still runs 16-25 processes and it still opens and runs notifications anyway. this is how my activity monitor looks like at this moment:

Adobe CEF Helper (5 processes running)
Adobe Desktop Service (1 process running)
Adobe Installer (1 process running) <<< can anyone tell me why do I need installer running when nothing is installed at this moment?
AdobeCRDaemon (8 processes running)
AdobeIPCBroker(1 process running)
Do you guys think this is ok? overall just adobe has 16 processes running at this moment, and I don't have any adobe apps running, it's just Adobe Desktop Service that runs some useless processes and wastes laptop battery and CPU, Adobe CEF helper most of the time uses 1-5% CPU power as I see in activity monitor, why? who needs all those processes? do you really think this is ok? come on... that's so bad experience.

I'll post this in several places, you can ban me, I don't care. I just want you to see this post, at least fix "Launch Creative Cloud at login" and add Quit Application option, or something when we don't need it when I need adobe products, I'm okay to have this processes running if those are helping your apps, but I don't need and nobody needs them when there are no adobe apps running.

LinSims

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You're not the first person to complain about all the background services running; you probably won't be the last. You're politer than most, at least.

It won't do you any good to post here about this. The "Adobe Support Community" is not frequented by the Adobe developers or their managers, who are the ones who design and write/maintain the software. We're users like you, and we have no way to contact the developers to tell them this irritates the users and no power to make them change their ways.

Kanikas

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Adobe Creative Cloud does not support Ubuntu/Linux.

Please see the minimum system requirements needed to use Creative Cloud:

https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/system-requirements.html

Thanks

Kanika Sehgal

gokhanc78773939

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barneyw37147761

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This has been going on years. It makes me angry that a company with such a monopoly in this market is being so lazy and greedy.

You've clearly got the market need.

Please provide a clear route to at least Photoshop on Linux. Ideally the whole CC suite.

I truly believe your lack of action will be the end of your dominance. I hope so, anyway.

This isn't fair and you are showing a lack of care to your loyal fanbase.

This ruins your brand, for me. As soon as a decent alternative for Photoshop comes along, I will jump ship.

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Ryonm

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Hello,

I know this is a sensitive topic in the Linux / Adobe community. But it has been a long time since we talked about it. But I would really love to see Adobe CC support on Linux. I am a fullstak web developer / designer and I just want to develop on my pc in Linux, and to be able to design stuff in Linux with Adobe XD, and using Photoshop. Adobe premiere pro I also use a lot. I know there are free alternatives, but I love the Adobe products that you can easily collaborate with your team. For people saying that it is not worth it for Adobe because the numbers don't add up, that's just not true.

25.3% of professional developers used Linux in 2018.
36.7% of the websites with known operating systems use Linux.
54.1% of professional developers use Linux as a platform in 2019.
83.1% of developers say Linux is the platform they prefer to work on.

I know this post propably doesn't change a lot, but I have a small hope they will finally add support and make lots and lots of people really happy.

p.s.

(I already did a feature request)

Tacafy大尉

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Ryonm, good morning.
As you can see, this community is a user community. Ordinary users also view and reply.
If you've already submitted a feature request, unfortunately, the community can't hope for more.
Certainly other people should have been calling for Linux support before, so please see this conversation.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install/adobe-cc-on-linux/m-p/11114983?page=1

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luca73

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Here's on opportunity to make our voice heard.

https://www.change.org/p/adobe-systems-make-adobe-cc-run-natively-on-linux-platforms

Please share if you care.
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AxelMatt

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Adobe CC for Linux - this theme is dicussed for years and years. But nothing happens.

Adobe has no plan to support Linux, not in the past, not now and probably not in the future either. Your petition won't change that either.

In my opinion, Linux is also not really suitable. There to much different Linux derivatives. If Adobe supports one (if its possible) then users of other Lunix derivatives demand that their version is also supported. This will be a huge expense that can no longer be realized economically.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/get-started/adobe-when-will-you-give-us-creative-cloud-on-ubuntu-linux/td-p/9710073?page=1

https://community.adobe.com/t5/get-started/creative-cloud-for-linux-ubuntu/td-p/4407103?page=1

https://community.adobe.com/t5/get-started/roadmap-for-adobe-creative-cloud-linux-support/td-p/8346269?page=1

My System: Intel i7-8700K - 64GB RAM - NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 - Windows 11 Pro 25H2 -- LR-Classic 15 - Photoshop 27 - Nik Collection 8 - PureRAW 6 - Topaz Photo AI

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Anonymous

Much smaller companies, like Bitwig, PCloud, et cetera, manage linux support. There is no excuse for a company as resourced as Adobe.

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Filip98

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+1

I don't even know who records these statistics, there's hundreds of Linux distro's with a huge amount of activity on their communities, true the average PC has Windows pre-installed but when they have Windows and Mac builds this is a choice

ls_rbls

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Abambo

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First: why posting twice such a big junk of pictures.

Second: The MacOS kernal is also based on a UNIX system (BSD if I'm correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU).

Windows has great similarities to Unix.

Again and again: Adobe is a great commercial company and if Adobe would see an important market potential to port their software to UNIX (Linux flavour...), they would do so.

The little apps you are posting icons about are by no way a proof of any market potential of Linux. They are a consequence of the success of the tablets and smart phones. And smart phones/tablets are a different environment than a Linux desktop PC.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

ls_rbls

Community Expert

Hi Abambo long time, no read.

Is always great to get attention from you and your feedback.

You keep people in-line and honest.

I apologize if I posted twice my reply.

It was not my intention to be annoying, this was an error when I was uploading my replies in different threads at the same time while using my mobile device.

Also, I didn't posted the screenshots from my Android device thinking of them from an art appreciation standpoint; much less it was my itention to agitate the bee hive.

I just didn't wanted to continue to type in my extensive reply all of the Adobe apps that are finally available and supported for the Android linux kernel.

I can tell this topic becomes sensitive, and I can clearly tell the difference between how it feels to be welcomed or not welcomed at all... just the same way it feels during job- hiring interviews when I've applied for computer jobs during the last 20 years.

Let's not forget that I am also here in these forums helping MS Windows and Apple users.

It would be greatly appreciated to see answers marked as correct too for those individuals that take the time and efffort in learning linux.

I have stated before in these forums that I am a linux enthusiast, but I am extremely vendor neutral as well.

So when it breaks down to the content that I've just posted, I really know what I'm talking about.

Nothing in my content was aimed to put down the MS Windows family of operating systems, nor the Unix-like operating systems in the macOS and iOS families of operating system.

I am sorry, if in the past I've been sarcastic to macOS users and have engaged unnecessarily in heated discussions with other community users and MVPs.

If my participation is not welcomed in these forums, all you have to say is we don't want you here, and I'll leave the forums.

Is there a way to delete the duplicated thread ?

gcorreddu

Participating Frequently

Ok, fair enough - but at least for a share of Mac and Win users, that is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Users like myself would've been on Linux since 2011, if it wasn't for the lack of Adobe CC support.

By refusing to port even just one of their apps to Linux, Adobe is preventing a good share of users from using an OS they'd find more comfortable, as well as losing potential revenue from other users already working with what they have in Linux.

I know that if Adobe had had Linux support, I would have bought my current machine (Dell XPS 9380) with Ubuntu pre-installed, and saved myself some money to put towards my Adobe subscription. Adobe software is the only non-free/open-source software I use on my machine, and I know there's many like me - or at least enough to have threads such as this one everywhere all the time.

VkonArch

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It's not the numbers that don't add up. It's the fact that many users have dual boot systems, and only Microsoft records the data and reports it.

I've been an avid Linux user for 3 years now and I do all my visuals there, including all my business material with ease. Lately the OS has become extremely viable with good support by both companies and it's community. And now with Valve's Proton, even the latest Windows games play flawlessly. I've actually tested it, so I know it works.

Back to the visuals, Black Magic is doing big steps to secure the Linux market, and lets be honest, all major VFX studios have Linux as a prerequisite. That's because all major applications work there much better and crashes are minimal, if non existent. The only app crash I've seen are in beta testing. Additionally, the reason there are so many companies that support Windows and Mac for their utilities especially, is that there are no alternatives. So, most seek the easy solution for video transcoding, audio reformatting etc.

The C language basically depends on two major things: the compiler and the external libraries. I played a little with the C++ and I have options to compile for any platform, as long as the respective compiler is there. Therefore, I trust the real technical issue is the libraries. Adobe uses Directx, Linux uses Opengl and Vulcan. The latter is up to par with Directx. Not to mention Apple uses mainly Opengl, so that isn't exactly an excuse either. Therefore the effort to port the applications is minimal. The true reason I suspect has to do with contract partnerships between Adobe, Microsoft and Apple. Because imagine, should the Adobe Suite and the Office 365 become available on Linux, it will sooner or later spell doom for the two companies. Perhaps not so much for Apple that builds hardware and locks it, but Microsoft will definitely feel it.

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WaywardHam

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Hi Everyone,

I just thought I'd bring up a different perspective. Everyone talks about private computing, or corporate users, but it honestly surprises me the complete disregard that the research world seems to get. Maybe because they don't get out much... who knows.

I've been using Linux in various flavours since 2001, and the general user-friendliness of distributions like Ubuntu have addressed most of the problems long-associated with Linux. The biggest obstacle now, (at least in my experience) is the availability of industry-grade software for Linux. Imagine if Adobe wasn't made available for MacOS? How many people would be using it today?

Linux users seem to suffer from the "chicken and egg" situation caused by corporate inertia. Every software company complains about "how few people use Linux" to justify doing nothing. It would only take a few big software firms to start supporting Linux like Autodesk and Adobe (and that's just the As) to radically change that landscape, and encourage much wider adoption of Linux in the general population.

The ability to build custom PCs with a good performance-to-value ratio, drop a stable, free OS like Linux on it, and use commercial software to get stuff done would be the holy trifecta for many users, ranging from small businesses, researchers, students, and even larger organizations. We'd finally be able to squeeze more performance from our systems, regardless of the price we'd paid for it.

I've worked as an IT Systems Administrator, Systems Engineer, and Solutions Architect for several research schools for the Australian National University. In the Research School of Chemistry, in the computational Chemistry division alone, there's 50 users running Ubuntu who'd desperately appreciate the ability to use Adobe products without dual-booting into Windows. In the Research School of Information Sciences and Engineering, I can think of another 100 people who'd dump Windows in a heart beat if they could use Adobe's and/or AutoDesk's products with it. The cost savings in the digital media school, if they were suddenly freed from paying Apple prices for borderline-adequate hardware, could afford some serious upgrades in RAM, CPUs, Video cards, NASs, more than enough to upgrade to a rig capable of editing vast tracts of 4K footage, and high detail 3D rendering.

While MacOS X does have some proprietary elements. It still has a strong basis on Unix. Building a precompiled binary for a common distribution like Ubuntu shouldn't require the "reinventing the wheel" level of difficulty implied by others here.

As a web designer, IT support, in-house research photographer, and now a small-business operator. I can assure you that businesses and universities alike are cutting costs, and are all about the Return on Investment. (ROI). Stale arguments about Linux not being worthwhile are short-sighted.

Honestly, I consider myself amongst the first people who would ditch Windows if I could run Adobe software on Linux. I'm just unwilling to pay Apple prices for hardware, and I'm honestly tired of the unnecessary bloat, constant update-based restarts that Windows forces upon it's users.

I know my opinion isn't worth much, but I'd happily offer any assistance, testing, and feedback toward getting Adobe to join the Linux bandwagon. 🙂

Please pass this request on to whoever might like to take the challenge up.

Kind Regards,

Hamish.

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Anonymous

I'll add my name as a Linux Ubuntu user and would like to see Adobe available for this OS. I have dumped Microsoft and will never again use MS for anything. I'm fed up with the nonsense one has to go through on an ongoing basis to use it. Simply tried to connect my phone hotspot to MS Win 10 and was told I had to sign up for something. No I don't. I switched to Linux and connected my phone with no issues. No bloatware now. No MS agravation. Happy as a duck in water.

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OscarNebeAbad

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Im subscriber since years to Complete CC and I work in MacOS and Windows because I cant use it in Linux if not I moved out years ago...the other tools I need: VSCode, Alicevision Meshroom, Blender. Substance and Davinci actually works on Linux... C'mon Adobe, wake up! Even Valve struggle for gaming desktop in linux with Wine fork Proton...

Nancy OShea

Community Expert

Linux appeals more to coders than designers.

Maybe that's why Adobe Brackets works on Linux.

Brackets - A modern, open source code editor that understands web design.

Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert

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OscarNebeAbad

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I think better I will push to remove Adobe CC from my workflow.

Mylenium

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Same answer as always: As long as only a infinitessimally small fraction of people even use a desktop Linux to do stuff, there is no point even discussing this. It really comes down to that "normal" people in the creative branches of the industry Adobe caters for simply don't care much for Linux to the point of a majority not even being aware that such a thing exists. Even if the products existed for Linux already, nobody would use them on this system. This is the simple, harsh truth here, no matter how much this is being trotted out hypothetically. The numbers simply don't add up.

Mylenium

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jackdawrabbit

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I also have a simple truth : In percentages, linux users are still a minority, but in actual numbers there are hundreds of thousands of users if not many millions. I've seen thoses numbers but can't remember where, and I was thinking, if only a fraction of those users would subscribe to Adobe cloud, that would still mean a lot of money.

Abambo

Community Expert

I'm a subscriber to CC and I'm a Linux user. Does that mean anything in sales for Adobe? No certainly not! Any for profit company will jump on Linux when they see a possible market. That's why some companies have some of their products on Linux.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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