After 25 years of FM experience I'm "at the end of my Latin" in FM-15.0.8.979 For the attached FM file this is the situation when switching from Master Page display to Body Page display: Of course I want to remove these overrides: Set Remove Overrides and use Continue → Switching to MP view and back to BP view issues the vey same message. MIF wash the document → the overrides are still there and can not be removed by the mentioned method. Re-assign the master pages (1 → First; 2…65 → Right/Left) → Overrides still there. Create new document, import all formats, then copy the contens of the flow → Overrides are back... Assign R/L MPs to all pages (no special page 1) → Overrides still there. Opening the document in FM-16.0.4.1062 → same debacle. A visual inspection of the pages do not show me any deviations from the layout defined by the MPs - so what is the nature of these overrides?

K.Daube

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Can not remove Master Page overrides

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After 25 years of FM experience I'm "at the end of my Latin" in FM-15.0.8.979

For the attached FM file this is the situation when switching from Master Page display to Body Page display:

Of course I want to remove these overrides:

Set Remove Overrides and use Continue → Switching to MP view and back to BP view issues the vey same message.
MIF wash the document → the overrides are still there and can not be removed by the mentioned method.
Re-assign the master pages (1 → First; 2…65 → Right/Left) → Overrides still there.
Create new document, import all formats, then copy the contens of the flow → Overrides are back...
Assign R/L MPs to all pages (no special page 1) → Overrides still there.
Opening the document in FM-16.0.4.1062 → same debacle.

A visual inspection of the pages do not show me any deviations from the layout defined by the MPs - so what is the nature of these overrides?

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Correct answer K.Daube

Proof of the pudding

With an ancient program (MIF Browse by Graham Wideman 2003-08-27) I discovered this:

In the failing MIF there are 5 text frames: the central text frame exists twice - one over the other. Removing this duplicate lets also this file behave.

So my previous finding about the missing ¶ format Body in the catalogue is not relevant - the problem occurs with such duplicate text frames...

Barb Binder

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Wow, @K.Daube! I went back to examine the right master and the two template frames were perfectly lined up, so there was no visual indication for the second frame.

Let's all file that one away for the future. I'm sure we will see it resurface at some point with someone else.

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training

Barb Binder

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Hi Klaus:

The only way I was able to get rid of that message was to create a brand new custom, double-sided document and then import the default master pages into this file. After that, I manually applied right/left to the entire document and the message went away. I replied the first master, and the message didn't come back. Then I imported the original right/left master pages back in and the problem returned. So like David, I think there's something wrong with the default masters, and specifically with the default right master.

Can you re-import the page layouts from another file that is working correctly? If not, I would just rebuild the right and left master pages in a new document and then import those in and let us know if that works.

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training

K.DaubeAuthor

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Well - also in northern Italy the temperature was to high to think about anything but drinking and relaxing - it was relaxing.

Now I did this to prepare a MIF that works and one with the problem:

Remove all content
Delete pages 3 … 63
Format pages to R/L only
For the correctly working MIF I completely rebuilt MP Right.

When comparing the two MIFs I found the following differences:

Property	MIF OK	MIF Not OK
length of MIF	29103	18047
loc `> # end of PgfCatalog`	10178	8728
loc <PgfTag `Body	2316	definition not existing, only use
loc <PgfTag `bodytext'>	2404	2316

Conclusion

It is a mystery to me, why the paragraph format Body is not in the catalogue of the misbehaving document. Standard FM items such as the tables in the Reference Pages use this format, or if one creates a Text Frame, than it initially uses this ¶ format. IMHO it was accidentally be removed from the catalogue (by a too rigorous cleaning...) and then we face this strange behaviour.

K.DaubeAuthorCorrect answer

Community Expert

Proof of the pudding

With an ancient program (MIF Browse by Graham Wideman 2003-08-27) I discovered this:

In the failing MIF there are 5 text frames: the central text frame exists twice - one over the other. Removing this duplicate lets also this file behave.

So my previous finding about the missing ¶ format Body in the catalogue is not relevant - the problem occurs with such duplicate text frames...

Bob_Niland

Community Expert

Does running an AMP do anything?

K.DaubeAuthor

Community Expert

«Does running an AMP do anything?»

According to my points 3 and 5 in my post - no, it does nothing.

I had attached the file - but for some reason it did not appear in the forum. Try again. Sh... it can be attached, but as soon as I post it disappears. Find it here on my website.

S

shalomb61686619

Inspiring

As far as I remember, as absurd as it may sound, you can't attach an FM file on this forum

Barb Binder

Community Expert

Well if you can't figure it out, I don't know how we can! But if you are comfortable sharing the file, I'm happy to take a look.

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training

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