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Participating Frequently
June 4, 2013

I have taken to following every Adobe pay-per-click ad I can find... facebook, etc... hoping that I will click on one that reveals Adobe will reverse course on the rent-for-life plan and become customer-centric once again.

So far, no luck.  Anyone else have any luck?

CarlosCanto
Community Expert
Community Expert
June 4, 2013

they should have official news about it "shortly" as per their blog post posted a few posts above

_scott__
_scott__Author
Legend
June 4, 2013

Well now the forum cache isn't updating for me. I can's see recent replies unless I post something.

Participant
May 7, 2013

Adobe... So you just want to tell us old, loyal customers to get lost?  Those of us who are now retired or disabled, and helped make you what you are today...  but we are now fools because you want to fight piracy?

Yes... we are the fools... We bought your product even when we could have pirated them, but now, in order to fight the pirates, you will not let us continue to own these products... after so many years?

The priates are already laughing at us!

I am now disabled/retired and can't afford a monthly fee... and I do not have an ongoing, reliable internet connection... I haven't even been able to upload ONE (1) large Tiff file so my friends could access it. but now you expect me to use the cloud for... everything?  What BS!

This is crap!  Pure extortion!

You have had your people talk for how long about converting our RAW files to your "forever, available, format."  Now you are saying that (in the future) if we have LR, with one version of ACR and CS6 with an old one, because we can't afford your monthly subscription fees, then we will be SOL?

Is this what you mean?

I don't like lawyers, but I think they will have a field day with this...

JETalmage
Inspiring
May 7, 2013

...because you want to fight piracy?

Nightshadow,

This isn't about piracy. It's about flattening and broadening the revenue stream. Creative Coolaid users can't elect to skip versions which they deem unworthy of the price. They'll become more "captive" to Adobe than ever before. Adobe doesn't have to ship disks or print packaging; just put it on a server, continue using cookies to bombard everyone online with ads, and charge whatever the suckers who buy into it will pay to be forever at Adobe's mercy. It's every monolithic software vendor's dream: Continuous Charging of Captive Customers.

It's just like the nonsense about "In a community of creative experts, Help is not a document" tripe. Gag me. That bit of Creative Copy writing is about shrugging the burden of customer support and proper documentation onto the customers themselves.

JET

Inspiring
May 7, 2013

I wonder if Adobe introduces features and new services that you find you need if that will change your position on this?

JETalmage
Inspiring
May 7, 2013

I don't know why it feels like sad news

Probably because those of us who aren't interested in monthly software subscription fees have just been written off by Adobe.

Corel, ACD, and Xara should be glad to hear it.

JET

_scott__
_scott__Author
Legend
May 7, 2013

At least I don't need to budget for CS7 this year. I can just use CS6 until the wheels fall off, then begrudgingly subscribe if needed.

JETalmage
Inspiring
May 7, 2013

At least I don't need to budget for CS7 this year.

Same here. I'll be sending less than half of what I've been sending Adobe for each version upgrade of CS to Corel for an overdue upgrade to the Draw Technical Suite--and be happier, to boot, with the greater empowerment I gain from it in terms of significant and practical functionality.

JET

CarlosCanto
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 6, 2013

I don't know why it feels like sad news

should we be exited instead about the new CC features?

http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/features.html

Participating Frequently
May 6, 2013

I will certainly be looking for an alternative to a lifetime of extortion from Adobe.

Participant
May 6, 2013

It may not be worth it for some casual users or even some pro users. I became a CC subscriber because I wanted access to to the app, UI, and ebook creation tools. For my design, personal creative, and photo editing work, my use of Illustrator and Photoshop has not really exploited any new feature added since Photoshop 7. It's probably the same for a lot of users.

In the end, it's all about looking at - honestly - how you use the product and what you will get out of keeping on top of every new upgrade. 

Participating Frequently
May 8, 2013

I'm sorry, all the marketing aside the numbers don't lie. Renting is never in the customer's favor.

Exactly. And all the foregoing "myth busting" is just so much redirection and obfuscation of that core objection.

I've spent my entire adult life ridding myself of monthly payments as much as possible--especially those which leave me holding no equity. I'm not about to reverse that principle by renting a license for--let's face it--already overpriced and frankly mediocre software.

Sorry, Adobe, but no. Your software does not equate to the necessity of a monthly electric or water utility. Not for my personal hard-earned money.

I've also always made it my practice to consciously guard myself against dependency upon a single software vendor, and I'm sure not going to reverse that principle either, which is exactly what Creative Coolaid represents to me. I've got current versions of three quite capable 2D vector drawing programs. I've been itching to spend more time in Canvas anyway.

Quark, by the way, is currently offering XPress 9 upgrades for $350 from any previous version. I can do that and upgrade Draw to the Technical Suite version and still spend less money than I would begrudgingly shell out to Adobe for a CS7 upgrade.

So count me one guy now happily free of  the regretful Master Collection mistake I made a few years ago.

JET


This is probably going to be a rather unpopular post as well as contradictory in places, but my 2 cents it is.

First off, with this announcement from Adobe, the blogs and forums on the net are in an amateur-hour uproar over a PROFESSIONAL software package, that in my very honest opinion... many should not even be using.

You've got literally 100's upon 100's of people quoting how they use the software only once in a blue moon to do x, and my next questions are: why are using a pro package?... where did you get the software?... and at what point in time did you decide that you're entitled to a professional toolbox to crop a picture or draw a green vector box with text?

I've posted more than a few times that I felt that a number of posters here should never even assume that they could ever learn Illustrator, Photoshop, etc. let alone use it... and the suspicion that some were wasting our time here because:

a) they don't have the slightest idea about the graphic profession at all (witness a recent discussion on this forum re: Convert PNG to Vector... and the poster doesn't have the slightest idea what either is for).... and...

b) it appeared they "picked" up said Adobe program on the net, or in a garage sale bin somewhere and thought that "now", they would, could and should be a graphic professional business.

With that said, I'm all for the accessibility and affordability of tools to allow people to experiment with their creative side. Honestly, Adobe is actually making this hobbyist experimentation even easier and more affordable.

However at a certain point in time, if you want to continue to indulge your "hobby" and "experimentation", you are being asked to pay for it.... and possibly to get paid for your successful efforts at learning the package. What really is wrong with that?

A couple of levelheaded posters have mentioned all of the other things people purchase for far more than $50.00/month... that either get swilled, swallowed, wasted, and clearly have no added value whatsoever than to quell an addiction, and/or displays a lack of discipline, planning and unwillingness to compromise egotistical and instant gratification (unnecessary driving for instance).

Again: these are professional tools... for professionals... to actually make money with. If you can't make even $50.00 a month in invoices... you should consider that you either can't afford your hobby, or take a look at other alternatives.

Speaking of alternatives: yes it is unfortunate... and I hate Adobe for it... that Freehand was killed off rather than sold. It narrowed the alternatives in the vector software market drastically.

Competent, inexpensive and even free pixel-based editors are available on all major platforms... heck... even on iPads and Android tablets. I actually have some "professional photographer" clients that would easily and be better served by Google's Picasa or iPhoto to tell ya the truth rather than PS. At the very most, Lightroom... which BTW is still an extremely powerful piece of software for a small perpetual license price(!)... or Elements.

Pro and Con(job) here:

Pro: Adobe actually plans on updating and integrating features far faster than they were previously.... and I seriously do think they will do this. I could almost bet that within this year, we'll see a number of features that users have been asking for for years now... and amazingly, bugs will start to get fixed within weeks, rather than months and years.

Con(job): I wouldn't put it past Adobe that they have a rather large list of bug-fixes and features that they have been holding back from us, as they prepared for the moment that they would drop the CC-Only bomb and make it a very compelling subscription, if not a "must have" going forward. Clever? Devious? Evil?... or just business?

Last but not least, I'm just sick and tired of all of the "entitlement" people spouting off about software they do not need, use professionally, nor even take the time to read up and to learn it. Jeez! Look at some of the stupid comments here from people that haven't even taken the time to read what the CC subscription includes, what it costs... the first year incentive... the way it works (authenticating over the net... with cloud SERVICES added as a bonus!).

Just the software:

$50.00/Month... un...be....lievable! And if you take the time to learn any of it... one job from one program, pays for the whole month! Experiment with the rest to your heart's content. Try that with your Starbucks, Micro-brew, chocolate and chips, or driving habits!

Rant over... sorry for the long post. Possibly some morsels of truth or food for thought.

Message was edited by: DocPixel-BMW - spelling check.

MW Design
Inspiring
May 6, 2013

Probably inevitable. CS6 will be the last version for me.

Take care, Mike

RaviKiran
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
May 7, 2013

Guys,  just head over to http://tv.adobe.com/watch/inside-creative-cloud/the-myths-of-adobe-creative-cloud/ to clear your misconceptions.

rcraighead
Legend
May 7, 2013

What I heard on the video is that I cannot run more than one version of AI from CC. When I upgrade it sounds like I'll lose the ability to work in an earlier version from CC. Am I wrong?

I am currently paying for CC even though I am not able to use AICS6 in my workflow because of bugs. It is over one year and nothing has changed. According to the "Myth" video I will be force to "upgrade" to the latest version after one year, whether the bugs are fixed or not.