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February 26, 2008
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How to make Fake Bold/Italic work in Illustrator CS2?

  • February 26, 2008
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I just learned that, unlike MS Word and most typical tools, Illustrator CS2 does not do 'Fake' Bold/Italic for text objects. Unless I have actual font enhancement typefaces family files, Bold/Italic will not work in AI CS2.

Here are my issues:
- I have quite a few 3rd party fonts which have only 'Normal' font typeface TTF files.
- I also have some 'Normal' Japanese font TTF (approx. 4MB each) files.
- The vendors do not offer separate Bold/Italic TTF font family files.

In Illustrator CS2, is there any way I can make 'Fake' Bold/Italic work for these 'Normal' only fonts?

I would appreciate any help.

Jay
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    Participant
    February 27, 2008
    I think I got clear picture of my Japanese Bold/Italic issue. I simply need to find the right fonts.

    Thank you guys for your generous and prompt help.

    Jay
    Jacob Bugge
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 27, 2008
    >The Japanese do not use italics in their typesetting as a general rule. Thus, you'll find italic font variations very difficult to find.

    The same applies to runes, and to some others.
    Inspiring
    February 27, 2008
    Yes, if you don't mind giving readers headaches. Using different typestyles to achieve font variations is as bad a design practice in Japanese as it is in Roman languages.

    I might make an exception if the "different" typestyles are in fact the same or very close to being the same, such as Helvetica and Swiss.

    >...for Japanese fonts, I do have big headache because almost none of them offer Bold/Italic font family files. Am I dead in the water with Bold/Italic Japanese text?

    Spring for some professional fonts. Every Japanese font that ships with the Creative Suite (Kozuka Mincho and Gothic, and Ryo families), for example, are supplied in multiple weights.

    The Japanese do not use italics in their typesetting as a general rule. Thus, you'll find italic font variations very difficult to find.
    Participant
    February 26, 2008
    Thank you guys for hopping in with ample information.

    I am actually dealing with automated document conversion processes using AI CS2 as parser. The input are SVG files and our interface does allow users to set Bold/Italic texts when generating SVG files. A 3rd party background Windows Service actually does AI parsing jobs for me using Javascript/VBScript. In summary, I don't really manually interact with AI CS2. Therefore, I can not do the Shear or Outline storke you guys suggested.

    However, my output files do require professional press quaility. So, I think 'Faking' Bold/Italic is not an option I can take. It looks like my only choice is not to use fonts without complete font family. That is doable for English fonts for there are many to choose from the market. But, for Japanese fonts, I do have big headache because almost none of them offer Bold/Italic font family files. Am I dead in the water with Bold/Italic Japanese text?

    Jay
    Participant
    February 26, 2008
    Could you use two (or three with italics) separate Japanese fonts, one
    for regular, one for bold, and one for italics?
    Inspiring
    February 26, 2008
    Neither the shear transform nor adding a stroke require the text to be converted to outlines. If the same font is available to the printer, output should not be an issue. Still, 'faux' bold and italic effects should be avoided for typographic reasons.
    Participant
    February 26, 2008
    an interesting bug (where bug might just translate to a feature I don't
    like) is if you have added an outline stroke to a regular object, or
    text that has been outlined (ie, not text anymore) and then align the
    stroke to either the inside or outside of the object, and then you
    outline that stroke, it will default to aligned to the center.
    February 26, 2008
    > That's when you start all over.

    That's when you're happy you always keep a copy-intact version of your files.

    The convert to outlines goes without saying; they aren't text anymore but just a string of graphic elements which happen to uncannily resemble letters forming words.
    February 26, 2008
    Simple, yet not-often-enough way is add a stroke.

    The reason you can't 'fake' bold or italic is because print shops can't use text that has been tweaked in a way the font itself does not include or support and it wreeks havoc in their systems (not to mention destroys layouts when corrected).

    Ask a print shop if they accept Publisher files. When they say no, the font thing will be at the top or very near the top of their long list as to why. Most of them call it forcing (or at least most of the ones I've talked to).

    It's like using a can opener to dig a ditch: You can use it yourself to your heart's content but if you want a professional ditch digger to do it for you, you better give him a shovel.
    Participant
    February 26, 2008
    > The reason you can't 'fake' bold or italic is because print shops can't
    > use text that has been tweaked in a way the font itself does not include
    > or support and it wreaks havoc in their systems (not to mention destroys
    > layouts when corrected).

    As long as you convert to outlines you can do whatever you want with text
    and it will cause no problems at all with the printer. This however should
    only be used for headlines and small areas of type. It will cause no end of
    problems if you convert paragraph text to outlines, and then find out that
    you have to edit the content. That's when you start all over.
    Jacob Bugge
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 26, 2008
    I am glad you are still awake, Kurt. I managed to overlook the bold part.
    Kurt Gold
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 26, 2008
    For the bold part, look at the Offset Path effect for example.
    Participant
    February 26, 2008
    > For the bold part, look at the Offset Path effect for example.

    Or just try an outline stroke in the same color as the fill...
    Jacob Bugge
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 26, 2008
    Jay,

    Object>Transform>Shear.