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Amazon Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP) rejects print file for book with Adobe Font

Community Beginner ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

My design studio designed and formatted a book for a self-published author using InDesign and two fonts, one being an Adobe Font (Linux Libertine and Aaux Next). We provided the author with a print PDF in CMYK to upload. We have an active Adobe Cloud subscription for anyone using the files. We've designed and had dozens of books printed and never ran into this issue Amadon Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP) presented

 

The author has spent the last several weeks going back and forth with KDP support about the proper file format they need and the Adobe Font used. KDP support told the author they couldn't print his book because KDP doesn't hold the license to the Adobe Font. 😡

 

Amazon KDP support responses seem to contradict Adobe documentation on font licensing for printed books unless they're considered a print bureau. Even if they are that, we didn't provide packaged files so that wouldn't apply to this situation right?

 

https://helpx.adobe.com/fonts/using/font-licensing.html#act-comm

https://helpx.adobe.com/fonts/using/font-licensing.html#act-pdf

 

1. Amazon KDP claims that fonts that say "Embedded Subset" aren't actually embedded and may not print correctly. In Acrobat when viewing the Properties > Fonts panel, all fonts show as "Embedded Subset".

https://www.adobe.com/uk/acrobat/resources/embed-fonts-in-pdf.html

 

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2. Amazon KDP claims they are a print bureau and referenced this page: https://helpx.adobe.com/fonts/using/package-font-files.html. They claim they must have the license to the Adobe Fonts to print the book. We did not provide packaged files from InDesign. Only a PDF.

 

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3. Amazon KDP mentioned the PDF x/1-a format and a flattened file. We provide a file in that format.

 

In Acrobat we used the Print Production Tool > Flattener Preview to convert all text to outlines using the '100' setting for raster. Is changing that to 0 so all text is converted the only way to use a custom font with Amazon KDP? Rasterizing the entire book? It is just black text on the interior and very few images, but still, it seems ridiculous to have to do that.

 

Has anyone else run into this issue with Amazon KDP for a print version of a book? This book is scheduled to release later this month and right now won't print with the custom fonts.

 

The author gave up and changed the fonts (every designer's nightmare) instead of attempting to use a fully rasterized PDF made from Acrobat with the raster setting on '0'

 

I also love KDP's resources that all reference how to use MS Word to format your book... 🙄

 

Help!

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Community Expert , Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

To start with, KDP is almost impossible to resolve problems with. You fly through the keyhole, or you don't get past the door. Knocking will do no good. All you will get, in nine responses out of ten, is an AI-generated cloud of fog that something isn't good enough. And KDP documentation ranges from the six-pages-on-one-trivial-point to two paragraphs summarizing a complex procedure to links that no longer go anywhere to clear, concise and detailed guidance that is five years out of date.

 

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Explorer , Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

SOLVED!

Just a little update: My book is a coloured paperback (not Kindle). I finally embedded all the fonts, which was a big fat faff! I unchecked ‘ligatures’ in the character panel for all paragraph styles and the master pages. Also, PDFs saved from Illustrator and imported into InDesign brought in the fonts too, so I outlined them for ease.

 

KDP’s ‘dense vector graphics’ flag was silly. Even underlined text with colour is considered a vector! I didn’t change much as that’s the design.

 

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Community Expert ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

To start with, KDP is almost impossible to resolve problems with. You fly through the keyhole, or you don't get past the door. Knocking will do no good. All you will get, in nine responses out of ten, is an AI-generated cloud of fog that something isn't good enough. And KDP documentation ranges from the six-pages-on-one-trivial-point to two paragraphs summarizing a complex procedure to links that no longer go anywhere to clear, concise and detailed guidance that is five years out of date.

 

If this is for a print book, type licensing should be absolutely irrelevant. The font will be dead letters on a page. It becomes a lot more significant with e-books, where some live form of the font is embedded and must meet licensing and encryption requirements. I don't think I've ever heard of a PDF for print being rejected because of font licensing issues. It also doesn't really matter whether KDP has the font or not; that's the whole freakin' point of PDF, or one of them, anyway.

 

Even as a very experienced dancer with KDP, I can neither determine what the actual problem is nor suggest any good way to resolve it, other than by changing to a similar font and re-flowing the book.

 

ETA: Try not subsetting any fonts. It may be that the preview is finding a (phantom) glyph that is not in the subset ones, and since they don't have the font, they can't fill in. Embed all of the fonts and try again.

 

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022
quoteIt also doesn't really matter whether KDP has the font or not; that's the whole freakin' point of PDF, or one of them, anyway.

 

ETA: Try not subsetting any fonts. It may be that the preview is finding a (phantom) glyph that is not in the subset ones, and since they don't have the font, they can't fill in. Embed all of the fonts and try again.

By @James Gifford—NitroPress

 

I was screaming with rage the same about PDFs as I replied to each email my client forwarded me from them. Thank you for the suggestion on not subsetting fonts. Will look into that.

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Community Expert ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

"In an Amazon warehouse, no one can hear you scream."

 

I once had a battle over some copy on the back page of a paperback. Their arguments made no sense whatsoever. I finally submitted a cover with a 'post it note' stuck across the image saying, "Hey, Humans, this word is not being misused here."

 

I got back an AI-generated rejection that "extraneous objects appeared to be covering part of the layout."

 

I gave up and deleted the back cover text.

 

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

LOL. I like your style.

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 14, 2022 Sep 14, 2022
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ETA: Try not subsetting any fonts. It may be that the preview is finding a (phantom) glyph that is not in the subset ones, and since they don't have the font, they can't fill in. Embed all of the fonts and try again.

 


By @James Gifford—NitroPress

 

By this, do you mean unassign and reassign all the fonts from the character and paragraph? If not, how would one not subset a font in InDesign?

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Community Expert ,
Sep 14, 2022 Sep 14, 2022

By default, PDF export will subset all fonts, and thus embed only the glyphs that actually appear in the document. My TWAG is that this process is missing some phantom glyph somewhere, and KDP is detecting it.

 

Change this setting:

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to, say, 25%, or even 5%, so that any font used will not be subset. This will considerably increase the size of the PDF, though.

 

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Community Expert ,
Sep 14, 2022 Sep 14, 2022

You might also try the Big Hammer on this file: save to IDML, reopen as INDD, try the export and upload from that. The only effect this might have is to clean out junk content somewhere and possibly take away the "phantom glyph" or whatever is confusing the KDP evaluation.

 

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 15, 2022 Sep 15, 2022

Thank you for those suggestions. I've had ideas of taking BIG HAMMER to something ever since this began.

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Community Expert ,
Sep 15, 2022 Sep 15, 2022

Yes, we've all certainly been there. The export-reimport process solves a lot of frustrating issues without too many fragments around. 🙂

 

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 29, 2022 Sep 29, 2022

The resolution here was the author exported the PDF to Word and changed all the fonts to Times New Roman and Trebuchet MS... Didn't get the opportunity to test out anything else, unfortunately.

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LEGEND ,
May 24, 2023 May 24, 2023

Exactly the same problem when selling stuff - AI generated stupid and pointless answers - but after few months of asking the same question over and over again - you finally get a call from a human. 

 

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LEGEND ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

"In Acrobat we used the Print Production Tool > Flattener Preview to convert all text to outlines using the '100' setting for raster. " That is not what this tool is for, though it will SOMETIMES by good luck do that. It is a transparency flattened, and it outlines fonts ONLY IF that is necessary to flatten transparency. Very risky.

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Community Expert ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

The third or fourth time you get a "Sorry... Dave... we can't... do that" response from KDP, risk becomes a very minor factor. 🙂

 

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

It felt super sketchy doing this like it was some up-down-left-right-b-a-start Nintendo hack to get it past the preview mode. KDP support had mentioned flattened and I had seen a post of someone trying that. Good to know it was as risky and odd as it felt.

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Community Expert ,
Sep 14, 2022 Sep 14, 2022

Wow, @v2theg, such a crazy experience you've had. Thanks for sharing it with us. I've uploaded countless PDFs to KDP, a book with these embedded subset fonts being the most recent one. I've never had a rejection. Unless this is something brand new with them, “Embedded Subset” has never been cause for a rejection. AFAIK, a subset tag means only those characters that are actually used in the document are stored in the PDF. The instruction to “Print to PDF” instead of Export is also very strange, and I've never done that. I do export using PDF/X-1a compliance and check that in Preflight. I'll be uploading a new book in a month or so, and I'll let you know if I experience any problems!

 

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(Another somewhat related issue is that Acrobat shows these as Type 1 fonts when they are clearly not. I've asked for an explanation on why this is happening, and hopefully we'll see a fix one day.)

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Community Expert ,
Sep 14, 2022 Sep 14, 2022

As I noted, I suspect it's the intersection of (1) a font that KDP for some reason does not keep available/licensed [and thus depends on the embedded version], and (2) a glyph is used somewhere that's not included in the embedded subset, and therefore the KDP system can't handle it. But I'm reaching right to the limit, here, from my understanding of similar/prior faults and rejections.

 

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Community Expert ,
Sep 14, 2022 Sep 14, 2022

Yea, it's a head-scratcher for sure. I was thinking, maybe it's a UK vs. US policy conflict?

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Sep 29, 2022 Sep 29, 2022

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 29, 2022 Sep 29, 2022

Strange because they passed the KDP preview test with flying colors 😐 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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Community Expert ,
Sep 29, 2022 Sep 29, 2022

<singing> "Wouldn't it be nice if..." KDP actually responded to questions? This is the kind of thing that could be resolved with 20 seconds of a human's attention, but Amazon resolutely maintains that information firewall for KDP.

 

Instead, confused users and experts with limited information have to keep guessing at what nit might be causing the rejection.

 

Either more detailed error messages or more comprehensive/up-to-date docs would go a long ways, too.

 

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New Here ,
May 24, 2023 May 24, 2023

How about outlining all the text on the file so there is no font involved at all?

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Community Expert ,
May 24, 2023 May 24, 2023

Because outlining fonts is an extremely poor practice other than for very selective 'graphical' use.

 

This thread is also approaching a year old, not worth extending further.

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Explorer ,
Jan 06, 2025 Jan 06, 2025

I am having this exact same issue for KDP (UK) paperback. The hardcover version is fine however, even though it's the same file! I have already sold hundreds of books (since November 2024), but it has just been put 'on hold' now (Jan 2025). Did anyone get this issue resolved? If so, how? I have used Indesign with Adobe Cloud subscription also with licensed fonts. 

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Community Expert ,
Jan 06, 2025 Jan 06, 2025

KDP is opaque and arbitrary; that's the long and short of it. It can be nearly impossible to resolve vaguely defined problems like this.

 

The exact error or other messages you received are a vague pointer to solutions, though. Post them if you can. (It is not a matter of slavishly following whatever fault they describe; it's more a matter of having learned, as a community, what the errors etc. mean in terms of actual fixes, and the two are sometimes at right angles to each other.)

 

Having a book accepted, published and listed for a time, even successfully, is no guarantee that a bot won't come along and decide it doesn't like your tie.

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