Help, setting up bleed for 8x10, in Indesign v.5

[geminipl]

Hello,

I hope someone can help with this.  I still use Indesign version 5, and I am wanting to set up my children's book for publishing, an 8x10 size.   I attached a screenshot of it all.   When I try to change the Bleed to recommended size (look for orange arrow) it tells me "value must be between 0-6 inches." 

Please, if someone could please help me with how to fix this?

Paul

[Derek Cross · Accepted solution]

You appear to be adding about 10 inches of bleed on one edge, change it to 1/8 inch – (unlink) it and apply 1/8 bleed to the top, bottom and to the outside.  Your choice for margins.

[geminipl]

Changed all bleeds to the 0.125    So if you look at my image reference, does this now mean I'd want to picture to stop right at the red line (bleed)?

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

Yes. you got it.

[Derek Cross]

Yes, to the red line (it doesn't matter if you go over the red line). Press W without anything selected to see the page in Preview mode. If this job is for a print version, check in the Links panel to check that the Effective PPI is around 300PPI.

By the way, you have two literals in your text!

[geminipl]

As long as the Effective PPI is more than 300, I'm good for printing?

I'll spell check every text panel today.

[Derek Cross]

Yes, 300PPI is the rule of thumb; you can probably get away with 200PPI.

[geminipl]

If the illustrated picture I've used turns out to be about under 100 ppi, I just need to work on upscaling the original Drawing to be larger and sharper in it's quality, before converting it into PDF file into the Indesign??

[Derek Cross · Accepted solution]

Presumably you've checked the Effective PPI in InDesign and that's why you know the resolution is 100PPI?
If so, you  can Upscale the image in Photoshop and afterwards apply a little sharpening. If you Place the image in InDesign a native PSD document you can round trip between InDesign and Photoshop. The text should be applied in InDesign.

[geminipl]

Hello, I've returned with some new trouble relating to this.   Yes, I set 8x10, use it is 0.125 on all bleeds except the inside as you taught me.   But when I save it all as a PDY, the page size keeps coming out as 8.71 x 10.83.   I can screenshot what ever you'd want as reference, but what am I doing wrong for it save as that incorrect page size?

[Derek Cross]

Here's a screenshot of how you might set up a new 10 x 8 inch document in InDesign. I haven't added the margins or number of pages, as they are your choice.

 Here's a screenshot of how you might export the InDesign document to PDF. You will normally select single Pages (not Spreads) and select "Crop Marks " (if your printer wants them) and tick "Use Document Bleed Settings".

[geminipl]

Does the Inside have to be 0.125 also?

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

"Does the Inside have to be 0.125 also?"

As someone who has worked prepress at a commercial printer, there is no reason nor benefit to going to the trouble of setting your inside bleed to "0". In fact, we prefer if you send us bleed on all four sides. This particularly helpful with crossover items like photos.

Yes, it can create weird slivers of objects from the opposite page, but these are cropped off by our imposition software in most cases, but in instances where we have to add some extreme "creep" (where pages need to be pushed outward every so slighty), you need that extra image otherwise you end up with a slight sliver of white at the fold.

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

As someone who has worked prepress at a commercial printer, there is no reason nor benefit to going to the trouble of setting your inside bleed to "0". In fact, we prefer if you send us bleed on all four sides. This particularly helpful with crossover items like photos.

Yes, it can create weird slivers of objects from the opposite page, but these are cropped off by our imposition software in most cases, but in instances where we have to add some extreme "creep" (where pages need to be pushed outward every so slighty), you need that extra image otherwise you end up with a slight sliver of white at the fold.

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

You are getting two measurements confused. Your final trimmed page size is still 8" x 10", but when you add the extra bleed and room for crop marks, your final overall page size in the PDF is accordingly larger. In my example, with crop marks, my page size increases to 5.575" x 10.575" (rounded to 2 decimal places = 8.58" x 10.58") which Acrobat shows when you hover at the bottom left corner of the window . My trimmed page size is still 8" x 10".

 

 

[geminipl]

First image is a screenshot of my current property settings in Indesign.    Second picture is when I am going to export file as PDF.  Third image is one of my spreads.   Fourth image is say page 4 leading to page 5

Please let me what do I need to be clicking on, what's missing, etc.

[Peter Spier]

You need to change the offset of your marks to a minimum of .124 to assure they will not appear if there is mis-alignment in the trimming

[geminipl]

I don't know if your telling me bleed marks, or crop marks, or both.

[Derek Cross]

https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/printers-marks-bleeds.html

[Peter Spier]

Crop Marks. You don't need bleed marks, but if you have them, they would be offset as well with the same setting.

[geminipl]

My settings in Indesign

Layout of bleeds, trims of page 4&5 in Indesign

When I'm saving as a PDF file for Adobe Acrobat

1. Still being puushed off by an inch. 

2.Still coming out larger than 8.42 x 10.42, when it must be 8 x 10. 

Please, what am I doing wrong, what am I clicking, or not clicking?  What can I screenshot for you to see?

[Peter Spier]

You are doing nothing wrong other than setting the marks offset to 0 when it should be at least the same as the size of the bleed allowancem(.125 in your case).

As Brad @ Roaring Mouse already explained, there must be space in the PDF to hold your bleeds and marks, so the PDF is always larger than the trim (finished size of your book). Evne if you have NO MARKS, the PDF would need to be 8.75 x10.25 to include the bleed area. Marks require additional space outside the bleed, so that makes the PDF even larger.

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

"Still coming out larger than 8.42 x 10.42, when it must be 8 x 10."

It still is 8" x 10". You are not reading everyone's explanations for the reason it says your page is larger. Your page will be trimmed by the printer to size indicated by the crop marks in your file. That area is STILL 8" x 10", but your PDF is larger to accommodate those crop marks... like so:

But as @Peter Spier mentions, you DO NOT normally want your crops marks to be offset at "0" (zero), as this brings them within the bleed area and could very likely show when your book is trimmed. Instead, set them away by an offset: InDesign's normal default is for an offset of 6 points, but I prefer to set this at 9 points (.125") so that they are fully outside the bleed area. Doing that will result in a PDF at 8.67" x 10.76". This exactly what you should be getting.

[geminipl]

The reason why I keep going in a circle is because of this.   On the left, that is a page you see of my Indesign, Red arrow is pointing at the Trim, and the rest is touching past to the bleed.    But everytime I am uploading the PDF file to Ingramspark, this is the result you see in the image on the right.   It's cutting off those talk bubbles when they shouldn't.   And the response I keep getting from them is Your bleeds have to be 0.125, and they are, and ingramspark  keeps telling me "The recommended dimensions for the selected trim size, with sufficient bleed, are 8.125 x 10.25 inches. This incorrect size of your interior file is resulting in words being trimmed off, as shown in your eproof.  

Then they say "Your PDF file is larer than it should be, mentioning that it's 8.71x10.83

Now finally, look at this image below.   That's how my PDF looks RIGHT before I send it to upload at Ingramspark.   It is perfectly the way it suppose to be where it would cut off.    This is why I'm I've been stuck, and can't understand what I'm doing wrong.  And please note, this never happened with my first upload to them, and it's when I had a test copy printed out on quality print not as great as Premium, which is what I'm currently trying to do.  And my 2nd print test copy was in Premium high quality, and it came out wrong with the pages cut off by an inch as you've seen.   I actually remark to them "This NEVER happened on my first test copy which was different quality print,"  and they don't acknowledge my saying that.   What I am implying is that Ingramspark is the one messing up.