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Mark selection separate paragraph

Enthusiast ,
Sep 05, 2022 Sep 05, 2022

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How do I mark selected text as separate paragraph without adding any spacing to the paragraph?

I want to add the spacings and styling only after I marked the selection as separate paragraph.

Currently the whole copy text is one paragraph because I removed all paragraph returns with an online paragraph return remover.

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Community Expert , Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

ID has 8 different Break Characters all with different functions and invisibles. You can also assign different Key Commands, so your Enter key might do something different than mine.

 

A Forced Line Break doesn’t create a new paragraph, it just breaks a line within a paragraph. Here are the Hidden Characters for a Column Break, Paragraph Return (a new styled paragraph), Forced Line Break, and Discretionary Line Break:

 

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Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

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Also, you have your paragraphs set to fully justified with no indent, so paragraphs set with no space above or below will be uniform—there will be no indicator to the reader for new paragraphs

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Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

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It will look like this, i don't like indents very much:

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i don't justify the last line to give it some fresh air.

My dropcaps already act as an indent for the body text, and indent before the dropcap, is that really necessary?

So looking at this, do you still think that I need indents?

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do you still think that I need indents?

 

How does the reader know where a paragraph starts and ends?

 

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Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

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It's the subhead followed by the paragraph starting with a drop cap that marks the beginning of each paragraph.

And for me those paragraphs will be both visual and contextual units. 

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So the highlighted is a single paragraph?

 

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Yes, it is a single paragraph. I understand that I might want to drop in a tab at some line beginnings (very few), but why not just add the tabs with the tab key (at the last read before exporting to print) instead of selecting a chunk of text that I want the tab for and applying a paragraph style that starts with a tab instead of a drop cap? 

For me it just seems more simple to add my tabs while I do the last read before exporting it out for print. 

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A paragraph does not begin with a tab, it begins alway with a return.

Make a pragraph without a drop character.

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If I feel I need a tab somewhere, why not just add the tab at the cursor position instead of selecting the chunk of text that I want the tab for, and apply a paragraph style that begins with a tab (instead of a drop cap)?

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why not just add the tab at the cursor position instead of selecting the chunk of text that I want the tab for, and apply a paragraph style that begins with a tab (instead of a drop cap)?

 

If you insert a tab in the middle of a paragraph it’s going to flow with the text.

 

I showed you how to create an indented paragraph with no space above or below in my first reply.

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I have separate paragraph styles now:

Body Copy with Drop Cap

Body Copy without Drop Cap

and

Body copy with Indent

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I brought in my Body Copy with Indent paragraph styles, now got some indents.

True, they mark a new slightly different idea or sentence, I will keep them.

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I made the separate styles now.

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Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

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I am in the documentary, journalism and at max. creative nonfiction / essays genre, so maybe formatting can be genre specific too?

 

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Have you considered signing up for a free trial at LinkedIn Learning (formally Lynda.com)?

https://www.linkedin.com/learning/search?keywords=indesign

You would answer a lot of your questions with some training--either video-based or with an Adobe Certified Instructor.

https://learning.adobe.com/partner-finder.html?products=InDesign&partnerType=Certified%20Instructor&...

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)

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Thanks, I will look at it.

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Two days of online, live training with an ACI will answer most of the questions you have. 

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)

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Sep 06, 2022 Sep 06, 2022

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I understand you, 

but you know that many good programmers became who they became by fiddling around and not by reading programming books.

Some people prefer to learn by doing.

People are different.

But, thanks, maybe I will take a look at it.

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> In any case, hitting enter or defining a space after value has the same effect for me: a paragraph break:

You don't seem to have a grasp of the terminology here. A paragraph break is a keyed character (represented by the non-printing pilcrow character) that tell InDesign to start a new paragraph. Each paragraph is a discreet block of text to which a Paragraph Style is assigned that defines the formatting for that block of text. you can add space between paragraphs as part of the paragraph formatting, which will provide a VISUAL BREAK, but the sapce is NOT a paragraph break. You need to learn the terminology to use the program effectively.

You REALLY need to get some training.

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I didn't say that paragraph break and spacing is the same.

I just said that hitting enter and adding Space After value both has the same effect: adds a paragraph break, inserts the flipped P character that marks the start of a new paragraph.

It also adds a line break.

Regarding spacing that does not add a paragraph break, I have never used the function, because I never felt that I would need it, yet.

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After weeks and weeks of patient instruction by some of the best teachers in this segment, your grasp of even the basic structure of an InDesign document is so slight that you can't ask a coherent question or understand how a simple answer applies in response.

 

You've insisted more than once that you don't have time for "training" and prefer to learn from forum questions. I suggest, on my way to ignoring all further posts and threads from you, that you are perhaps wrong on this.

 

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And I am ignoring reading your replies for the patronizing bully that you are!

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Reporting you to Adobe.

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I am absolutely not interested in your comments, so you are on your own. I do not read them. I don't have to.

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I don't care that you are a publisher, if you don't show respect, there will be no more conversation between you and me, I guarantee! Stay humble or be humbled.

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"Chris," with all due respect to both you and my place here, after several weeks of patient instruction you still don't have a grasp of what a paragraph or paragraph style is. This is almost literally step one of understanding how to develop and manage ID documents and publications.

 

This piecemeal, whirlwind, one-sentence-at-a-time approach is never going to get you anywhere near your goals, and I suspect I am simply the first to lose patience with your attempt to be taught one deep ID feature at a time.

 

You will find coherent, step-by-step training, including things like the precise terminology for everything, of vast advantage. But you've ignored and rejected every suggestion along those lines.

 

Very best of luck to you in your endeavors.

 

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