Outline text with bullets & numbering

Community Beginner ,
Jun 26, 2018 Jun 26, 2018

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I can't seem to outline bullets and numbering along with text in Indesign cc 2018. Once I click "create outlines" bullets and numbering would disappear. Is it just me? Does anyone else experience this issue?

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Community Expert , Jun 26, 2018 Jun 26, 2018

Why you would like to outline any text is beyond me.

But if you must, try the following:

  1. Select the Numbered or Bulleted paragraphs.
  2. Under the Options menu of the Paragraph panel, choose either "Convert Numbering to Text" OR "Convert Bullets to Text."
  3. Outline your text and the numbers or bullet will not disappear, they will be outlined.

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Jun 26, 2018 Jun 26, 2018

Like the others who have responded to you, I will note that “outlining text” is an exceptionally poor workflow practice. The exceptions are:

(1)     You need to achieve some artistic effect with some limited text that cannot otherwise be achieved with other InDesign effects that work with text.

(2)     You need vectors for purposes of sending artwork to sign cutting or similar systems that cannot handle text as realized via fonts.

The fact that you are concerned about full paragraphs with bullets a

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Community Expert , Jun 25, 2021 Jun 25, 2021

defaultks8d4yvdbu1n said:

"For example Im working within the signage and wayfinding sector, I outline text daily."

Yes. Perfectly doable within Acrobat Pro with a loaded PDF exported from InDesign.

Here are the steps:

 

Open the exported PDF in Acrobat Pro DC.

Go to Print Production > Preflight

Select "Acrobat Pro DC 2015 Profiles".
Then list and select Single Fix Ups > Document > Convert fonts to outlines

 

Now run the single fix up with button Fix.

 

Forgot to add this screenshot from Acrobat P

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New Here ,
Feb 22, 2021 Feb 22, 2021

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Hi

I'm trying to create a bulleted list of numbers, where the number will always be followed by a thin vertical line.

Can anyone advise how to do this?

Thanks.

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Community Beginner ,
Jul 15, 2020 Jul 15, 2020

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Hello ling87007791,

I too encountered an issue with outlining bullets in InDesign. Similar to you, I am working with a vendor that may or may not have access to the typefaces that I am using. Though 2 years after this initial post, in InDesign 2020 version 15.1.1, a solution a co-worker helped me find was to highlight all of the text, go into the text tab > bullets and numbering > convert bullets into text. This should now allow the bullets to be outlined.

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Aug 11, 2020 Aug 11, 2020

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Thank you for your wonderful, short, concise response! You were kind and not demeaning like some of the other people on this thread! Your response helped me the MOST! I really appreciate it. I too have been in the printing biz since 1984 and also graphic design since 1998.....there are many printers that prefer outlines....hence why there is an option to do this. Thank you, TrapTurkey!

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New Here ,
Aug 15, 2020 Aug 15, 2020

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I'm just signing in to say I had the same question as you, found this thread, and was shocked by the condescention and arrogance of some of these responses! I hope not all graphic designers are seen in this light. Thank you Jill5E09 for asking too and TrapTurkey for your kind and helpful response.

 

Let people outline their fonts and bullets if they want to, for goodness sake!

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Community Expert ,
Aug 16, 2020 Aug 16, 2020

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This question comes up a lot, and I think some of the tone comes out of frustration when outlining drifts towards being seen as a best practice rather than a last resort, and Adobe should do something to make it easier. And it’s not just bullets, Underlines and Strikethroughs are also a problem.

 

I often see the boiler plate outline "requirement" coming from state-of-the-art online printers where the system is fully automated, and a missing font would not be caught. In those cases I’m happy to skip the outlining because it’s much easier to simply check the PDF and make sure the fonts have all been properly embedded before I send the job.

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Mar 04, 2021 Mar 04, 2021

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Now THIS is the reply I have been looking for! This SOLVED the problem for me. Thank you so much!

And yes as other people have stated in an ideal world this would not be needed but when you're contracted by a Government department to create artwork you have no control over who the printer, and trust me in regional areas most printers can't be trusted with live fonts!

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Community Expert ,
Jun 25, 2021 Jun 25, 2021

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This is not the best answer; Bullets and Numbering are not the only text features that get lost when you outline text inside InDesign. You will also lose underlines and text frame colors, to name a few.

The best answer for when you have no choice but to outline text -- use the tools in Acrobat PreFlight to do the outlining.

That way, you will be assured of not lossing any text attributes along the way.

It's under Print Production > Preflight

Screen Shot 2021-06-25 at 8.22.22 AM.png

 

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Jul 11, 2021 Jul 11, 2021

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I don't have the convert fonts to outlines option in my Prepress, Color and Transparency options in my Acrobat  / Preflight.

Is that something you had to download or should it be included in the standard install/update.

I'm a CC subscriber and my current Acrobat is: Adobe Acrobat Pro DC  2021.005.20048

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Jul 11, 2021 Jul 11, 2021

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oh wait no I found it, (I noticed your screenshot had to the 3rd(spanner) option selected.

Ok great, so this will handly paragraph rules, bullets, etc?

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Jul 11, 2021 Jul 11, 2021

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Yes - if you use this (Acrobat) method of outlining fonts, all of the font bits and pieces that would be lost if you outlined within InDesign will be preserved.

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Jul 11, 2021 Jul 11, 2021

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oh perfect thank you

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New Here ,
Jul 09, 2021 Jul 09, 2021

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How about that, a solution on the Adobe community, not just someone making people feel small because their workflow isn't the same as theirs!

 

I always dread searching for stuff here since it's invariably 45% condecension, 45% dogma, 10% solutions

 

Thanks TrapTurkey for solving my issue, too.

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Jul 09, 2021 Jul 09, 2021

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This illustrates @SJRiegel ’s helpful post—create outlines makes a mess of this text frame:

 

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Nov 20, 2021 Nov 20, 2021

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November of 2021 and your answer is still helping people! Thank you!

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Jun 25, 2021 Jun 25, 2021

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defaultks8d4yvdbu1n said:

"For example Im working within the signage and wayfinding sector, I outline text daily."

Yes. Perfectly doable within Acrobat Pro with a loaded PDF exported from InDesign.

Here are the steps:

 

Open the exported PDF in Acrobat Pro DC.

Go to Print Production > Preflight

Select "Acrobat Pro DC 2015 Profiles".
Then list and select Single Fix Ups > Document > Convert fonts to outlines

 

Now run the single fix up with button Fix.

 

Forgot to add this screenshot from Acrobat Pro:

 

ConvertFontsToOutlines-SingleFix-AcrobatPro.png

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

 

//EDITED: Added screenshot

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Jul 11, 2021 Jul 11, 2021

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OK great, thanks for the info. This should be marked as the correct answer.

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